Nov. 17, 2025

Voices of Service

Voices of Service
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Season 1

VOS is a veteran-based singing quartet comprising of Ron Henry, Christal Rheams, Jason Hanna, and Caleb Green. They are four military veterans whose voices carry a mission of hope, healing, and unity by highlighting the experiences and resilience of service members, veterans, and their families. Known for their powerful performances, especially their rise to national fame on America’s Got Talent. The soul, gospel, pop, and patriotic music is help to those with visible and invisible wounds.

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Hello and thank you for tuning in to a Sharp

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Outlook on K four HD Radio and Talk or TV.

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I am ANGELA Sharp Your host. Our arm chair discussions

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with industry experts will give you the steps, tools and

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information to be successful in business and to prepare you

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to be your best self. Hello and welcome to a

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Sharp Outlook. It's great for you tuning in today. Do

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you know one of the most valuable voices that you

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carry with you all the time. It's your voice, and

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your voice can be used for wonderful things like encouraging people,

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lifting people up, singing beautiful songs, talking beautiful poems. We

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should raise our voices when we see things that are

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not well, or if we have someone in our family

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that's not doing well. Use your voice. Raise your voice

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so that you can meet them at the point of need.

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And when I say raise, it's just I want you

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to talk to them or sing to them, but not yelling.

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That's not what I'm intending here. Today we have someone

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from the Voices of Service. It is a veteran based

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singing quartet comprising of Ron Henry, Crystal Rems, Jason Hannah,

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and Caleb Green. There are four military veterans whose voices

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carry a mission of hope, healing, and unity by highlighting

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the experiences and resilience of service members, veterans and their families.

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Known for their powerful performances, especially their rise to national

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fame on America's Got Talent. I remember watching that the

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group blend's soul, gospel, pop and patriotic music to advocate

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for those dealing with invisible and invisible wounds, representing the

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excellence and strength within the military community. Since twenty twelve,

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their harmonious Blend has been more than music, It's been

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a movement. Their journey took a powerful turn on September

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turn on season fourteen of America's Got Talent, where they

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captivated millions in place fifth. In twenty twenty, their talent

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earned them a spot on America's got talent champions, but

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their impact extends far beyond that stage. Voices of Service

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fuses various genres of music to deliver songs of resilience

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and purpose. Through their performances, they uplift communities, inspire recovery,

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and create connections that transcend barriers. Rooted in service and

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delivered with passion, their voices echo a message the world needs,

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one of strength, unity, and unwavering hope, something we really

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need at this point in time. My guest is doctor

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Jason Hannah. He is a member of the singing quartet

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Voices of Service and an intricate part of Camo. CAMO

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it stands for a center for American military music opportunities.

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They have utilized their performance to increase awareness of the

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therapeutic impact and performing as well well as listening can

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live can have on service men and women who are

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coping with the challenges of post traumatic.

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Stress.

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Doctor Hannah has been singing with fellow military veterans Ron Henry,

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Crystal Rhines, and Caleb Green and Voices of Service since

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twenty twelve. Voices of Service continues to perform and use

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their music to inspire, uplive communities and promote healing. CAMO,

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which I mentioned before, which is the Center for American

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Military Music Opportunities, is a nonprofit organization that elevates and

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empowers service members, veterans, and military connective families through music

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on stage. Their musical performances include Voices of Service, American

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Military Spouses, Choir, Donnie Isaac's and CAMO Kids have been

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in the spotlight on NBC's American Talent and an event

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around the world. Off stage, CAMO provides music as therapy

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and music healing services that focus on unique challenges of

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being a service member, veteran, or a family member. CAMO

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is on the front lines of building a community of

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military music, creating opportunities for and mentoring musically gifted military

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members to join the music and entertainment industries. Doctor Jason

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Hannah is a vocalist and mentor in the military singing

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quartet Voices of Service, best known for their top five

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finish on American Scott Talent. A former Sergeant first Class

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in the US Army, Doctor Hannah is also a life coach, speaker,

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and advocate for mental health and music therapy. He uses

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his platform with Voices of Service to raise awareness for

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service members and veterans and their families dealing with visible

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and invisible wounds. I'd like to invite doctor Hannah to

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join me. Hey, good morning.

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Good morning, Miss Andrews.

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I'm great, and I want you to know I was

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watching America's Got Talent and saw you guys tear it down.

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All right. We appreciate that. We absolutely appreciate that.

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One of the jokes I always give to people as

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I say, yeah, you watched it, but did you vote?

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And how many times did you vote? Yes, vot?

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I voted, I voted.

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I appreciate it. Thank you, Miss Angela, appreciate it.

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Yes. Well, you just have a full plate of things

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that you are working on, and I just want to

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say I'm just so thankful to have you here. Also,

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you served as a Sergeant first Class in the Army.

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I was still an active member during Voices of Service

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twenty nineteen America's Got Talent appearance where you place fifth.

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You hold a Bachelor of Science in healthcare science and

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a master's of Science in psychology, a license practical nurse

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and EMT, and formerly worked as a sexual assault Response

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coordinator for the Army. You are a head coach at

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Positive Perspectives, LLC Coaching and Leadership Development company and a

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certified Maxiwell Leadership Coach, trainer and speaker with expertise in relations,

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relationship coaching, career transitions and leadership development. And you previously

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serve as the Associate Minister and Minister of Music for

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a Victory a faith church man.

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You have lots of jobs.

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You have been so busy and committed and dedicated to

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helping others. How does music help those that have visible

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and invisible wounds?

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So, ANGELA a great question, and and also I want

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to say thank you for having me on the show today.

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I really appreciate it. Before before we get started, But

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in terms of music, I think music has a unique

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way of a unique way of reaching people where words can't.

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So you have folks that are dealing with invisible and

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visible wounds, and those wounds can be physical or it

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could be something that that's resulting from the from injury, trauma,

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or just the weight of some other mental health struggles

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that they have going on. So I think for me,

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music reminds people that they're not alone, that there's a

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shared story, and sometimes that that shared story is sung

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and not said. It's just an interesting thing that music

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has a way of bridging, bridging barriers or well destroying

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barriers and bridging gaps between folks. And if they can't

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talk it out, sometimes they can hear a familiar melody

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and they can sing it out and then that will

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that will help them to break down those barriers, to

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get them to the part where they can actually talk

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about what their struggles were and what some of the

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things were that they were facing. So music disarmed defenses,

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brings connection, and it gives people hope.

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Again.

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Wow, it's really you know. I when I first was

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thinking about this, it brought to mind my brother who

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went into the military and he was even promoted. He

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had his you know, got his little stripes and bars

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and things like that, and then all of a sudden

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he was discharged and came, you know, he called, and

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I said, sure, come on, come and stay with me.

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And he was not my brother. There was just so

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many things he was going through. He just walked all

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all night. He never slept, he wouldn't go to sleep.

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And I eventually called a doctor and they said he

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needed to be taken to the mental hospital, and they

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took me in there and they would give him medication

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to help him sleep, because he really needed to sleep.

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He eventually came out and we got him into an apartment,

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but that behavior started back again, and one of his

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friends came by to visit him, and he didn't answer

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the door. They opened the door and there was the

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smell and he had passed away. And the dead had

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a massive heart attack because of the internal stress he

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was having from whatever he experienced. And very young man,

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and I wish I had had the knowledge. I didn't

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know what to do because it was frightening to my children.

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He wasn't the same person. Sorry, but I have a

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passion to always reach out and to help veterans wherever

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I can. I used to do homeless visit the homeless shelters.

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I worked on the streets feeding the homeless. I found

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a lot of veterans among the homeless, and I would

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talk with them encourage them as much as I could.

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I even became a minister and I had a church

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for the homeless because they didn't feel comfortable going to

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the other go into churches. They did not feel welcome. Wow,

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and there was you know, I just I couldn't help him,

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but I had to help somebody who was going through

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like him, so that I could make this right as

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much as I could. I just needed to share that

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because it was just bubbling in my spirit. Yes, ma'am

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thinking about him. You Voices of Service still performs. Where

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do you perform? And how do listeners reach the group?

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Were a performance? How did he read your group?

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So you know we're we're still performing actively and so

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Voices of Service we've been blessed to sing on some

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pretty incredible stages from of course A G T. We've

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also been several NFL games, w n B, A NBA games,

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and even the White House, So it's you know, we

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we we do a lot, and but I just wanted

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to say this.

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One thing.

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What means the most to us, though, is it's not

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the the the high profile performances. Those are great, don't

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get me wrong, those are great. But what's what means

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the most is when people are able to come up

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to us after a performance or a concert or whatever

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and they're able to say, you know, we were we

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listened to your music on wherever they listen to it

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on and they're like, you know, I listened to it

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when I'm having a moment and your your words really

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you know, your words and your songs really have an

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impact on us and it helps me get through a

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tough time. So I think those are the things that

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really resonate the most with me. Is A is A

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is a as a healer, you know, as a healer,

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a person that just has a natural tendency to want

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to heal people. But to answer your question, to go

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back to your question, you can contact contact us through

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our website, be of service dot com. It's the like

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as in Voice, be of Service dot com, Camel's website,

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as well as social media. So all of those places

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are are places that you can contact us and reach

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us for bookings and find out what we're going to

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be doing, and subscribe to our newsletter and stuff so

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we can send out information about what we're going to

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be doing and where we're going to be doing it at.

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Right now, you combine your group, you combine experience as

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Maxwell Leadership certified coach with deep psychological insights. How does

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this experience help and you're dealing with your clients?

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So so the Maxwell well, to me, it the best

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way I can describe it is it gives me the

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best of both worlds. So with Maxwell, you have the

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timeless leadership principles. That's stuff that you know, it's true

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for across whatever spectrum of leadership that you're going to

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be in. And psychology gives me the opportunity or gives

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me the skill set to understand how people they think,

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how they grow, and how they process things and how

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they change. So those things I can integrate both of

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those to help clients not only set goals, but to

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break through mental barriers or things that hold them back.

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The thing that I say is moving them from stuck

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to unstoppable. That's kind of like my catch line I

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have too. Yeah, so that's the thing. Yeah, using those

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two skills, leadership principles and you know, psychological training to

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help people move from stuff to unstoppable.

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As a decorated US Army senior non commissioned officer, corporate trainer,

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licensed practical nerves and minister, how do these skills meet

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the needs of hurting people?

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So so those roles they okay, so they taught me

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one thing. Really, to be honest with you, all of

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those roles taught me one thing. People need care. They

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need clarity. They need care and clarity. Honestly, So the army,

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the army side of the house taught me discipline, taught

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me to follow through to you know, check up on

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the details. And nursing is all about taking care of

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your you know, being an advocate for your patient.

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that come naturally for me. And ministry is about giving

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people hope, right, caring for folks, serving folks, serving folks and.

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Giving them hope.

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And the corporate training gave me it basically sharpened my

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ability to communicate to people across all different spectrums of life,

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whether they are CEOs or whether they're interns. So I

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was able to communicate with all folks across all the

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spectrums of leadership. So when when somebody is hurting as

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a result of all those things, and somebody's hurting and

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they happen to exist in those spheares, that mix of experiences,

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it it helps me to meet them where they are well.

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Very short, I know people to have some of those skills,

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and they don't understand that that's the whole purpose of

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the knowledge and experience that they have. The experiences that

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we have, the knowledge that we have, they have a

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purpose and there you put those together to actually achieve

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something other than a paycheck. Absolutely, you know, reaching out.

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We have a lot of hurting people, especially the younger

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generation right now seems to really be hurting and hurting

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others in fact. And they grew up and during a

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time where there was there's been a lot of violence.

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I grew up, went to school. You know, the most

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we did was like have like the bomb drill. We'd

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get under the desk and but you know, nothing was

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going to happen, right, you know, they go to school

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trying to figure out how they're even going to survive

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every day because we're allowing people to just be active

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shooters in school and things. When we can stop that.

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I mean, that's what your skills are supposed to teach

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you that, Okay, this doesn't make sense. Yes, it's called

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change it when you do the same thing over and over,

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but it's called.

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It's to be right.

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Indeed, you know you're not learning what's wrong. Then you're

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not understanding the picture when you just get doing it

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over and you allow someone's child to be gone, you

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know from their life that I just I don't understand

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that kind of thought process. But that's why we have

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this show is to help you to get to the

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point where you have different thought processes. You you analyze better,

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you better, you use your voice for something better than

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you know, screaming on you know, social media and and

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and the rudeness and the violence that we perpetuate there.

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So absolutely, yes, ma'am so.

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Empowering, empowering the people, not dictating, and this is something

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we try to do. Dictating creates a space for reflection

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and you ask powerful questions and equip clients with practical,

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actionable strategies. How is how is that help?

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it's not telling people what to do. You know, you

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can always tell somebody what to do, but that doesn't

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help them learn how to how to process and how

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to think. So for me, it's about asking questions that

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help them to see answers that and I use this

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phrase carefully. It's not so much that it's within them

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that it's easily extracted, but it's that they may have

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been thinking about. But there's this thing that we do

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as humans, the psychological thing is where we want to

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be safe. So success is actually a very risky and

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an unsafe thing for our brain as a process. So

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a lot of times we don't want to think about

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those things. A lot of times we have to sit down,

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we have to sit with those things and think about them.

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you thought about this, and they're like, ah, but no,

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we need to think about this. We need to move

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this thing from this fight flight of freeze thing that

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you got going on in the back of your your

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amigdala and move it to the front of your frontal

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cortex where you can actually get you to think about it,

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because when you're thinking about it, you're actually making better

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decisions because you're actually thinking about how to move things

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from this part of this thing is happening to me too.

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I'm going to take control in this situation as much

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as control as I can. So that's the empowerment piece.

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Asking the powerful questions, get in them to think about

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things that they normally wouldn't think about, and helping them

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to make those decisions that move them forward.

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What do you particularly focus on to assist those not sure

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of their purpose or their goals when you're you know,

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doing your coaching and career, you know, transition training, and

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leadership development. You know, how do you really assist them

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in that?

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I think for me it's it's about starting with clarity.

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I know that's my through line and I struggled with

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that for a long time as a coach, because every

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coach needs a coach, so you know, of course I'm

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I'm talking to my fellow coaches, and the thing is

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always have your through line, know why you do what

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you do, right. So the thing is for me, it's

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about starting with clarity. Start with clarity, because if you

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know what you're, what you're supposed to be doing, if

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you have an ideal or where you're supposed to start,

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that's that whole purpose piece, right, I mean, that's where

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people get stuck mostly, is that that clarity piece. So

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if we can get them to understand, let's start with

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what you know, right, start with what you what you

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where you want to go. Let's start building the scaffolding

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from that standpoint, so uncovering what truly matters for people,

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and then help them align their choices that they're going

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to make those decisions that I was talking about previously,

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Help them align their choices with those decisions. So once

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they get that clarity, they get that confidence, and once

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they get the confidence, that consistency is the thing that

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normally follows right after all of that.

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wanted to help people. When I was a child, I

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said I was going to be a doctor, but they didn't.

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They didn't quite turn out that way. I ended up

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becoming an accountant and a software engineer. You still help

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you out, That's what I realized. I go in and

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I help companies right side their ship. I help companies

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get out of, you know, tax issues. I help companies

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get new software systems in to make things more efficient.

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So I am helping. I help companies do the right

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thing so they don't go to jail. So I'm always

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helping companies, and then I'm always reaching out to help people.

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So in some ways I am helping and I don't

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have to deal with some of the things that I realized.

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I wasn't going to be able to look at yes

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as being a position. It's like, ooh, I'm so glad

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I didn't take that path. I would not be able

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to handle that. So still doing it. So those skills

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that you're talking about, you still are able to use them.

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As your goals and purpose, they just might transition into

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a lot of different paths. I mean, I have so

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many re imagining my life. I don't know where I'm

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going to end up. By the time I'm one hundred

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and twenty five. I am living to be one hundred

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and twenty five.

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I heard that talk about that me too. We're going

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to do that together.

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you know, you read scriptures, they were in the seven

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hundreds and ninehundred years. You know, we done lost a

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couple of years here. I want to retreat, recoup some

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of my years, and throw twenty five on the end

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of one hundred. My grandmother was one hundred and four

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when she passed, So I know that I can reach,

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you know, one hundred and twenty five. That's what I'm

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shooting for. So I want to stay healthy so I

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can do what I do help others as much as

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I possibly can. So, doctor Hannam, you say, every person

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possesses seeds of growth, Yes, within themselves, yes, you know,

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and so you help the clients to uncover those inherent

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strengths and build the resilience needed to thrive. How in

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the world. Is that done when most don't know they

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have seeds?

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Yes?

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So very simple and it's so okay. Here's the thing

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about simple simplicity is it's simple, but it doesn't mean

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it's easy to do. But it is simple. For me

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as a coach, I look for the small winds. I

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mean when I say small winds, I'm talking like, you

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made your bed today, because for someone that's in depression,

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that beid may have not been made for a long time.

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You know, the sheets may not have been changed. It

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could have been a lot of different things. So the

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small winds are the things that I really really hone

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in on because when people can start seeing the small wins,

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they can grab a foothold in life. They can or

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even a toe hold in life.

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So, and I always say that growth is hidden and

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the things that people are already doing or the intent

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to do it now we got to move them from

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intent to actually action. But the growth is actually hidden

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those spaces. So if we can name those things, those

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little small winds and help them water those seeds. Hey,

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you made your bed today, that's big. What was the

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thing that you know encourage you to do that today?

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What was the thought that that was going through your

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mind that helped you to do that, and then we

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to encourage them to keep having that thought or what

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was that thought. It's a placeholder, a mental monument, is

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like call them. So those seeds, you keep wading those

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seeds with the consistency and with reflection again, thinking about

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your thinking, reflecting on those things, remembering why you did

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what you did, why did you do the thing, the

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good thing that you did, and then let's let's keep

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that going, keep those winning streaks going. So yeah, for me,

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it's just a matter of helping clients see or people

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not necessarily clients, but people see what what they already

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have going on for them and what it takes from

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the you know, what's working for them to help them thrive,

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and then just keep nurturing that seed.

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Yeah, it seems like there's so many people that have

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gone through trauma. And like I said, I come from

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a military family, and I mean from great grandfathers to grandfathers,

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to uncles, to cousins to nephews to my granddaughter's usband

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right now is in the military. I mean, just wow,

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it's just you know, everyone has known we need to

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contribute and be a part of what helps us to

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be a nation that is free. And so you know,

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my family has participated and been apart, but some have

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come back, Like I said, my brother and then my

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uncle's becoming alcoholics. I mean the trauma when they get

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stuck in that space of trauma and trying to you know,

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maybe deaden it with with like the alcohol and things

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like that. They're stuck. How do you get someone that's stuck?

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How do you get them you know, unstuck.

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Wow, that's a great another great question, how do you

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get them there? So so to me, from stuck to

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unstoppable is all about momentum. We we do have an

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issue and it's just it's the human condition inertia and

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is one of those things that is just it. We

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all have a form of it in one way or another,

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you know, procrastination why because we're fearing something, or we

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don't want to move forward because you know there's some

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something attached to that memory, or maybe we don't know

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what's behind behind this thing. But so in essence, being

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stuck is about hesitation, doubt, it's the fear those things

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that uh and all those things are going to keep

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us from moving forward. But to helping people to move

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from that. It means giving them again again the through

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line clarity, right, confidence and understanding, or at least helping

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them to uncover their purpose. I mean, I don't I

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don't claim to be the purpose the person that would say, hey,

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I'm going to help you discover your purpose. It's not that.

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But I will help you with clarity, and I will

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help you with confidence. And I believe that purpose is

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found in those in those things. Finding those things, so

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helping people to bridge those gaps and by breaking goals

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into simple, small, simple steps and then showing them you

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know that it's progress over perfection. That's what builds the momentum.

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That's what builds that unstoppable momentum. It's progress, not perfection.

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That's the main thing.

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Yeah, so from stocked unstoppable. Yeah, there's a road map

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to move past hesitation. Yes, I think all of us

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00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:27.200
self doubt absolutely building the confidence and purpose. But is

468
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.200
there a specific strategy to do that?

469
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:31.960
Yeah, there's there's several.

470
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.480
Uh, there's several frameworks that I that I use that

471
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.519
will help with that with that, with that road One

472
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.559
of those is Mission to Reimagine. I use that a

473
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.880
lot of times with the UH, with the veteran population,

474
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.519
because it helps them to kind of reframe what they

475
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:50.400
were doing, what they were doing before, and what they're

476
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.920
doing now. There's also what I call mental monuments. I

477
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.839
alluded to that earlier. Mental monuments is all about helping

478
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:01.039
clients identify things that they already used in the past,

479
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:04.119
concrete moments, things that they can they notice from the

480
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:06.880
past that where they've been successful, and I help them say, hey,

481
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.359
there's this concrete moment that you had. You use this already,

482
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:13.240
that were a moment when you were resilient, where you

483
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.039
were faithful, where you were effective. Right, So let's go

484
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.559
ahead and look back and look back at those monuments,

485
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.279
those times in spaces, and we're gonna we're gonna do

486
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.759
a few things. We're gonna notice what happened. We're going

487
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:25.960
to really notice it. We're gonna examine it. Then we're

488
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.480
gonna name it. We're actually gonna name the monument, you know,

489
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:30.279
kind of like in the Bible, where there were there

490
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.000
were monuments that were building, they named it. They said

491
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.960
this place is this place, and we're gonna name it

492
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.759
this thing so that way we remember, I mean, and

493
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:39.400
what you have to do with that is you have

494
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:41.720
to remember and then tell somebody else about it, so

495
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:43.680
that way you can extend it. A lot of times

496
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.319
it didn't happen that way, but we're going to try

497
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.240
to do better. We're gonna name it, and we're gonna

498
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:50.200
remember what it was named, and we're gonna remember to

499
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.359
tell somebody else about it, so that way we can

500
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.720
help be held accountable. So then we're going to anchor

501
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.400
that thing, right, So that's the next thing. What does

502
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.839
this thing tell you about you? What is this story

503
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.680
that you're telling yourself? What does it say about you?

504
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.079
What are the skills or the things that you get

505
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.480
you have to do to continue to keep these winning

506
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.279
streaks going. And then the last thing you're going to

507
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.039
do is apply it. You know, how could you how

508
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:16.279
could you this the same version that you that built

509
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.559
this monument? How could that same version of you show

510
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.279
up consistently all the time with that same clarity? How

511
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.599
does that thing happen? So those those are the things

512
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.680
that notice the name, the anchor, and the and the

513
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.839
the applying the mental monument. So that's a really big one.

514
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.039
That's a powerful framework and it helps a lot of

515
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:34.680
people out.

516
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:40.359
Especially probably those that have been in the environment of

517
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:45.400
such discipline as military, and their days were organized and

518
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:50.799
they know their successes and things like that, and everything's

519
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:54.160
on the plan. They're not like doing the wrong thing there.

520
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:57.240
You know, everything has a structure and a plan. And

521
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.960
being able to at least bring back those that part

522
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:05.880
of the behaviors of the military. You know, I know

523
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.799
there was something that might traumatized them, but that wasn't

524
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.599
every day. So the good portion was probably just getting

525
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:20.400
those disciplines, doing that work, accomplishing that task or that

526
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:25.079
you know, command that was that was done and being

527
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:32.680
successful does it But going back to that, are they

528
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.799
able to stay in that happy place where they're like, yeah, man,

529
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:39.440
I remember doing that and they you know, brighten up

530
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:45.720
or does it bring bring the trauma to the front.

531
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.839
See that's interesting because now we're doving into therapy versus coaching. Right,

532
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:52.720
So with the therapy and the.

533
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.519
Coaching, would you do that right? Right? Interesting?

534
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.799
Interestingly enough so because I and I am very clear

535
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.079
on this, I am not a licensed therapist, right. I

536
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.200
do have a psychology degree, but it's more on the

537
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.240
you know, academia so that you know the research side.

538
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:12.880
But but that doesn't mean I don't have training in

539
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.440
that area, especially resilience training. So one of the things

540
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:18.160
that you have to understand is a is A is

541
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.319
a mental health gatekeeper. Is to understand where you're not

542
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.279
in your depth. Say, for instance, a person has trauma

543
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.119
that comes up during coaching, that might be a good

544
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:32.359
time to pause and to maybe refer to someone another

545
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.480
practitioner that can help them with those with the trauma

546
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.160
because the trauma part, if we we can, we can

547
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.920
work with a person that has some that's working with

548
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:46.519
the therapist as well, because trauma is about unpacking what happened,

549
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:49.680
why it happened, and moving forward from that from that space,

550
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.000
and then for the coaching aspect, we pick it up

551
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.440
and we say, hey, let's let's see what we can

552
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.000
do as far as moving forward despite the trauma or

553
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.640
even because of the trauma, we can and still move

554
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.359
you forward with a specific goal or specific tasks. So

555
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.640
we work in tandem with the with therapists on that end.

556
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.000
So to your question about the happy place, sometimes the

557
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.839
happy place doesn't doesn't remain, and sometimes it does trigger

558
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.839
something else and you just have to be skilled to

559
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.839
be able to hear what they're saying and understand what

560
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.519
that's not my depth. I need to make sure that

561
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.440
you get the help you need and we can kind

562
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.720
of pause, put a pause on what we're doing. Let's

563
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:27.559
get you to help. You need to deal with that

564
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.920
trauma so we can move forward with the with the

565
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.200
other parts of your life that we can address.

566
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.240
Yeah, I was just thinking, Like I said, I was

567
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.279
working with the homeless on the streets and maybould tell

568
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.480
me some things that happened in their lives and things

569
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.839
like that. I couldn't do anything but say, you know,

570
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.519
you survived it. You know, I didn't know what to say,

571
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:51.480
so that's the only thing I could say, is you

572
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:56.200
survived it. Now think about what you have experienced and

573
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.640
others are experiencing some of those things. You can actually

574
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.680
be a voice to help them get through it because

575
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:03.799
you did get through it.

576
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:04.279
You know that.

577
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.799
I was trying to encourage them. I don't know whether

578
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.639
they followed it, but they got a happy and excited

579
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:14.599
face while I was talking to them. But they probably

580
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.719
do need to They need to reach out to someone

581
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:23.440
that has that, you know, experience and that knowledge because

582
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:29.039
it's also an area that's pretty tender and can cause

583
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:33.280
severe reactions, like you said, triggers since cause them triggers

584
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:37.880
that could get serious. So I don't think novices like

585
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.639
myself should be trying to practice in areas that we

586
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:47.559
don't have the license, nor the experience, nor the capability.

587
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.239
We need to refer our friends and our family members

588
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:57.039
to professionals who can, like you said, work them through

589
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.920
that trauma area and bring them to a point where

590
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.119
or they they can handle it, they can deal with

591
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.559
it and not live in it and move on. I mean,

592
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:12.519
I still have friends that we're from viet went to Vietnam,

593
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:17.280
and they're okay, and then all of a sudden something

594
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.519
occur and set off a trigger, and it's a response

595
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.440
that I have to like kind of step back. Oh okay,

596
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:28.800
just be quiet right here, Angela. Don't try to be

597
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:34.000
You're not the boss here, right Absolutely, you need to

598
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.920
just be quiet and let them work through this moment here,

599
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:44.280
but then just probably understanding them. Understanding those trigger triggers

600
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.440
are really really critical.

601
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.480
Right right, And and and to your point, I'm sorry,

602
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.360
I wanted to say something really quickly because I wanted

603
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.719
to say I know you said, Hey, I'm not a professional,

604
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.119
and but a lot of encouragement, care, compassion goes a

605
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.960
long way to help for people because if you're trying

606
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.920
to if you can get them to just you know,

607
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.400
to have hope for the moment, that's helpful because that

608
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.840
moment can bridge them to the next moment to getting

609
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:12.000
to getting them to the to help the help that

610
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.840
they need. But yeah, I do not despise, you know,

611
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.719
Boble says, don't despise their small beginnings, those little small

612
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.039
tools that we have in our the chest of smiling

613
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.679
and encouraging and helping, you know, just talking to them

614
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.480
or sitting quiet. Those things are very helpful too. So

615
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.360
don't please how no, say, don't diminish your your you're

616
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.400
you're working that area because it's it's helpful.

617
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.760
Well, I'm glad you're saying that, because one of the

618
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.719
things when I was working with the homeless people, especially

619
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:42.320
the veterans, they really what's saddened them the most. You know,

620
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:44.800
you sign up and you put your life on the

621
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.880
line for us back home and then yes they've come home,

622
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.320
Yes they're having some issues. They're sitting there on the

623
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.639
side of the sidewalk or there's just leaning on against

624
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.840
the building or whatever, and they say, people walk past

625
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:01.800
me like they're a tree, like they're not even a

626
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.639
human being. They won't even look them in the eye.

627
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.039
They won't even smile. They could say hello, They're not

628
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.719
going to jump out and bite. I know because I've

629
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:15.280
worked with them for like ten years. Every Friday down

630
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:18.639
you know, downtown, you know, in this parking lot. We

631
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.960
would have food, we would have clothes, We had musicians,

632
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.320
Like you said, music. They were happy when they heard

633
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.000
that music and clapping and everything. And they just when

634
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.079
they talked to me, they said, I'm still human, And

635
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:36.280
I said, I know, and I'm so glad. And I

636
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.360
would even look for opportunities for you know, restaurants or

637
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.519
whatever that would even give them a little little work

638
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:47.440
or something to give them that pride. But hey, they might.

639
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:49.840
They went over there for you to be able to

640
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.920
have freedoms, and I think we owe it to them

641
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.159
to at least give them a hello and a smile.

642
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:59.000
Can we do that? Can we start saying hello and

643
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.960
smiling and some of the people who are suffering because

644
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.559
they were trying to provide you with the freedoms and

645
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.280
all the things you enjoy and take advantage of on

646
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.639
a daily basis. Just say hello.

647
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.719
Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the things I heard that.

648
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.480
You know, you mentioned something that you mentioned that and

649
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.360
it reminded me of I can't remember where I heard

650
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:25.840
it from, but I was thinking about homeless population, specifically

651
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.320
in veterans, homeless veterans, and one of the things they

652
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.760
said they could deal with almost anything, but one of

653
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.679
the things that they was the most heartbreaking to them

654
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.360
was the sense that they were invisible, Like like what

655
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.119
you just said, It's like, you know, it's like he

656
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:43.000
won't even say hi to me. It's like, I'm a person,

657
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.519
Please just hello, you know, you know, because I guess

658
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:48.480
most people think that, you know, if I say hi,

659
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:50.639
then I mean I'm gonna you know, now I got

660
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.320
to give them money, and now I got to give something.

661
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.639
Like a lot of times you'd be surprised. It's like, no,

662
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:56.679
they just want to say hi.

663
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.079
Yeah, and you know what, so put some change in

664
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.679
your darned pocket so if they do need some money.

665
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.559
That's what we were supposed to do. Yeah, love our

666
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.519
neighbor as ourselves. We're supposed to feed the hungry, We're

667
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.760
supposed to clothe the naked. So all of you are

668
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.599
saying that you're following the book, well, you must have

669
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:23.639
missed a few verses. And I'm speaking for those that

670
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:28.079
are hurting because you're ignoring them. And if you know

671
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.000
you're going to go down the street and you might

672
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.760
run into them, take a few dollars, take some change,

673
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.800
do something so they at least go buy a coffee.

674
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.599
It would make their day. You have no idea how

675
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.280
much that would help with the healing process. I'm sorry

676
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:44.679
I got on.

677
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:49.239
No, you're good, but you know what. Challenge accepted? Yeah,

678
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:50.159
challenge accepted.

679
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:50.400
Yeah.

680
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.159
My wife always asked me, hey, you know we you know,

681
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:57.320
because homeless everywhere. As a matter of fact, any one

682
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.760
of us could be homeless. We're like one pay check

683
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.400
away from a lot of times capacity.

684
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:07.719
For the grace of God, you know, it's only the

685
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.360
grace of God that keeps you from maybe being in

686
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:16.440
that position. And like I said, working with them, it's

687
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.519
just given me a different outlook on life. And yeah,

688
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.599
I'm always trying to help somebody. I mean able to help.

689
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.679
People say why don't you just slow down and stop?

690
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:31.360
I can't because somebody needs help. And if I'm able

691
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:33.880
to help, I'm going to do so, because that's what

692
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.239
my hands and my feet and my mouth is for

693
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.800
is to help others. I may not be suffering, but

694
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.119
I'm going to speak up for those who are suffering.

695
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:47.159
And you know, veterans who have put their lives on

696
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.440
the line should not be needing to fight government to

697
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.920
get their benefits. In fact, my father went to war,

698
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:00.599
my uncles went to war, and they did didn't get

699
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.320
their benefits when they returned. And I think something still

700
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:10.960
needs to be done about that. Wow, because there's still

701
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:16.599
generations of them existing, and so let's make that right.

702
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:21.519
How about that? Just how about that? Do the right thing? Absolutely,

703
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:26.440
it goes a long way. So you've told us about

704
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:31.760
reflection and things like that, a reflective practice designed to

705
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:36.159
help clients recognize and celebrate their progress, their growth and resilience.

706
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.719
So you said that you give them a mission, reimagined

707
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:48.199
the framework. So tell me how that works with veterans.

708
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.360
So with the mission reimagine, there's a lot of folks.

709
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.320
Matter of fact, I talked to a young man who

710
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:56.880
he went through his the way he described it, and

711
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.559
I get it because a lot of us go through

712
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:03.079
a version of this as retirees or folks that get

713
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.400
out of the army or the military, whatever branch you're in.

714
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.400
And he said, he went through his Alpha and Bravo

715
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.159
plan and now he was in his Charlie Plan. So

716
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.559
he's doing a job that he did not intend to

717
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.239
be doing when he got out, because he had all

718
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:19.440
of these plans and had you know, he didn't have

719
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:21.519
he didn't have a degree, but he was had all

720
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.239
these plans going to business and do all these other things,

721
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.159
but all of that fell through. So long story short,

722
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.400
he was kind of like in a sense where he

723
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.119
was aimless, didn't exactly know fel kind of lost. I

724
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.320
guess that's the word the best word to use, was lost.

725
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.639
And he wasn't sure exactly what he was supposed to

726
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.639
do with that Charlie plan, because I mean, he was

727
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.599
earning money, but he's working hisself, like he's working fifteen

728
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.480
sixteen hour days, comes home, sleeps for a couple hours,

729
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.159
and then goes back to work at four o'clock in

730
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.760
the morning and he's working until seven, eight o'clock at night.

731
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.519
So yeah, it's a lot. But one of the things

732
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.760
I was able to help him with was to kind

733
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.679
of tie his the mission that he's on now because

734
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.679
he's in a service profession, and he was able to

735
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.039
understand that, well, he wants to be a person that

736
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:11.199
serves because that's why his business model was to be

737
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:14.559
able to do service things. But he's also serving in

738
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.280
this role that he's in currently. So he's working, you know,

739
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:19.119
his dual, Hattie's still working in the business, trying to

740
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.360
get the business off the ground. But in the meantime,

741
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.800
I was like, well, let's let's let's figure out what

742
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.320
this thing that you're doing now, how it's caused, you know,

743
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.119
how it's helping you to be able to serve, but

744
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:32.719
in a different way, you know, kind of like the

745
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:36.039
mission reimagine. Let's let's reimagine it. So giving you a

746
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.679
little bit of again clarity, clarity of the mission that

747
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.159
you're on currently, because it is a mission. You are

748
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.719
serving people, You're just not serving people in the way

749
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.400
that you thought you might be. So once we get that,

750
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:48.239
get that clarity out of the way, this is what

751
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.480
you're doing, you're actually serving right, so now you can work.

752
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.679
You can walk into that situation with confidence and knowing that, Okay,

753
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.039
I'm doing this for a period of time. It's a season,

754
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.760
not forever, but it's a season but while I'm in

755
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.320
the season, I'm not just biding time. I'm not just

756
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.480
you know, just marking time. I'm actually doing something. I'm

757
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.519
making connections. I'm working with people. I'm having you know,

758
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.400
building relationships with folks that he's serving and and helping

759
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:15.920
him to remember that is what you were kind of

760
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.880
doing in the military when you were when you had

761
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.360
the mission, it was readily defined. Now we're going to

762
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.039
redefine the mission. You have to define the mission this time.

763
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:24.199
Someone's not going to do it for you.

764
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:25.320
You have to do it.

765
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.360
And I'm going to help you figure out what that

766
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.840
what that mission is. So now we have that clarity

767
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.559
of what the mission is, we moved through that identity piece.

768
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:34.199
Who are you now? Who you were?

769
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.920
Sergeants so and so, or specialists so and so. We're

770
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.440
major so and so, lieutenant colonel so and so. But

771
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.719
who are you now? Who is that person? You still

772
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.639
have those experiences, but who are you now? And now

773
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.239
once we get that identity piece, we can work on Okay,

774
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.119
what am I supposed to be doing? What on Earth

775
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:49.800
am I meant for?

776
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:50.480
Right?

777
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.079
That purpose piece? And so then we move it to

778
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.840
the stages of practical planning. So what's the next chapter

779
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.320
look like, what's the next few months look like, what's

780
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.880
the next few weeks look like. Maybe we could do

781
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:03.559
a five year, ten year, but let's work on weeks

782
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:06.639
months and then we work on the year plan and

783
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.760
then we work through that. So those practical steps. But

784
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:10.880
really it's about structure, you know, because a lot of

785
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.400
times folks that are in the military, they just we

786
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:15.679
folks that were in the military need that structure.

787
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:16.559
They need that.

788
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.440
Yeah, they need that structure, And you got to just

789
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:20.639
bring it back to the to the basics. What were

790
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:23.440
we doing before? Now that you're in charge of it,

791
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:25.800
now you know it's not your commander. You are the

792
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.960
commander now, you know. You know, if you're praying, if

793
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.320
you're a praying person, if you're a believer, then you

794
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.679
know God has given you the instructions. But we got

795
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:35.920
we're gonna tease it out. We're going to figure out God,

796
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.480
what do you say, help me to hear you more clearly?

797
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.239
So yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I also think about the

798
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:49.320
military families. You know, there are family members that are

799
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:56.920
involved in the healing of some of the veterans themselves. Absolutely,

800
00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.960
their families are part of that healing too, because they're

801
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:06.360
been part of the trauma and part of the restructure

802
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:12.239
in their lives and things. So your organization also counsels

803
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.199
the family members too, because it has an impact on

804
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:17.599
them for sure.

805
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:21.519
Yeah, my carrious trauma. Yeah all yeah, because they go

806
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.360
through the same things. Even I'm looking at my I'm

807
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:26.840
thinking of my relationship at home with my you know,

808
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.480
I have seven kids, seven kids, me and my wife,

809
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.400
and they're all adults now, which is which is great.

810
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.079
It has its own challenges as then being adults, but

811
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.280
that's another story for another time. But I think about

812
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:42.000
the almost thirty years that I served and everything that

813
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.400
I went through, my wife went. My wife, she's she

814
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.000
went through it in her own way because when I

815
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:51.480
had challenges that were, you know, just ridiculous, she had

816
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.239
to work with me to figure that out. When I'm

817
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:56.960
struggling with different things or whatever, she had to work

818
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.840
with me. So she was some you know, vicariously trauma

819
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:03.119
by that. And my kids also got a little bit

820
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:04.760
in that they didn't feel it the same way, but

821
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.400
it was still the same thing. So to your point, yeah,

822
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.400
families go through some of the same things, so you

823
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:11.840
have to be able to you know, incorporate the families

824
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:15.599
and the discussion as well, and as as the And

825
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.480
for me, it's about what the you know, the client.

826
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:20.559
The client could be a family member, but sometimes it's

827
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:24.000
the client is the military person of the veteran and

828
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.639
sometimes they just they want to get clarity for themselves.

829
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.840
But you know, we also try to work the families

830
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.920
in as well as much as we can. However, sometimes

831
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.239
it's the family members that come for for services because

832
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:36.800
they know, oh, you're a family you work with family

833
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.079
members too, Yeah, because we want to help you guys

834
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.280
figure that out too, you know, and help your help

835
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.760
your spouse who's struggling with different things, help them, you know,

836
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.440
figure out what the next what the next best steps are,

837
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.760
and and for you as well, you know.

838
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:59.199
So tell us to our listeners, what can we do

839
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.599
to encourage to help to to lift our voices or

840
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:10.159
whatever to make things better for our veterans and especially

841
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:14.480
those that have been, you know, out of the active

842
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:17.400
military for a long period of time. What would you

843
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:19.039
recommend to our listeners.

844
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.679
Oh, let's see, if if you are a if you

845
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:28.639
are a retiree and you are let's say you you

846
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:33.199
are retiring you've you've maybe you have a modicum of

847
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.360
success or or you you've figured some things out. One

848
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.159
of the first things I would say, reach back, I

849
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:43.239
mean seriously, reach back and help some of your brothers

850
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:49.000
and sisters out because there is a So we've gone

851
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.719
through transition assistance programs and that's the program that the

852
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.320
military uses. So when folks are getting out of the

853
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.960
military for whatever, you know, whether they're retiring or their

854
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:03.559
their their services over for whatever reason, that taps is great.

855
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.960
The problem is it's a fire hose. So you get

856
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.360
all of this information and then you get out, and

857
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.039
then you find out that you miss so much because

858
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.760
you were focusing on trying to you know, clear you

859
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.079
had for the army at CIF, you got to clear

860
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:20.000
CIF all this other stuff that you got to do,

861
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.480
so you weren't really paying attention. You were just trying

862
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.320
to get out and figure it, you know, and get

863
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.360
on with your life. And they're giving you, hey, we

864
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.519
got all this information. It's going to help you transition.

865
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.320
Well, la la la la la. Great.

866
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.239
But the problem is that once you get out those services,

867
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.320
at at some point those services will THEND. It might

868
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.199
be a while, but they will end, and a lot

869
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:40.880
of times folks are trying to figure out how they're

870
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:43.559
going to make ends meet, pay their bills. Then there's

871
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.320
then there are those folks that are further out, that

872
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.639
have been out for three or four years, that have

873
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:51.280
figured out some things. They had some time and now

874
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.639
they know, Hey, there's these things that are that I

875
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:56.000
wish I had known. Those are the things. Those are

876
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.119
the things. I want to encourage people. The things that

877
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.280
you wish you had known that you know now, talk

878
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.119
to your people, go reach back to those folks, to

879
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.559
those folks. Don't if you put it on social media,

880
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:09.320
that's great. I'm always an advocate for saying use the

881
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.280
social media. Hey, soldiers, did you know about this? You know,

882
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:13.840
there's a lot of folks I'm going to shout out

883
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.840
that are doing great work. LaToya Green is one of them,

884
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.599
retired Starry first Class Flea Toya Green. She does a

885
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.760
great job of advocating the soldiers and she's retired. There's

886
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.320
other folks that are working with folks that are getting

887
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.639
their military benefits, their disability benefits. There are folks that

888
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.280
are doing it for free. They just want to help

889
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:33.639
them out. Reach back, yes, exactly, help reach out and

890
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.079
help those people out. Take the information that you have,

891
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:38.320
the knowledge that you have, and help those people out.

892
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:40.679
Because really that's what we're here for is to work

893
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.159
in community. So if we're not doing the community thing,

894
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:46.599
then what are we really doing. That's that's my Yeah,

895
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:48.119
that's that's my biggest thing.

896
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:48.920
I get.

897
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.800
I can get passionate about that. I get really passionate

898
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:53.400
about that. So I'm going to stop at this point.

899
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.400
Yeah, I just want to say I've enjoyed our conversation.

900
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.960
Thank you so much for being here on Sharp Outlook,

901
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.599
and for those that listening today, you heard what he said.

902
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.440
You know, reach back if you've been in the military,

903
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.239
reach back if you've been a family member, and help

904
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.440
your other brothers and sisters that might be experiencing some

905
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.480
of the same things and we who have not, that

906
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.199
doesn't mean we can't be involved and lift our voices

907
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:25.840
that make sure they're getting their benefits, donating to organizations

908
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:30.000
that are helping the veterans, and just finding out what's

909
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.360
going on. Go out there in social media, whatever, and

910
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:37.480
get informed and find out what is happening in that

911
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.880
area with our veterans. Thank you so much, doctor Hannah

912
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:43.719
for being here and thank you for tuning into a

913
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.320
Sharp outlook. We're here every Monday at eleven am Eastern

914
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:53.079
time eight am Pacific time, and as always, stay informed.

915
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.239
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916
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917
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.800
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