Polluted and Ignored: A Community’s Fight for EPA Intervention

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1:32 than normal rate of cancers, lung disease, and organ failures. Today we're asking when your neighborhood is polluted, how do you make the EPA do something about it? What happens when the jurisdiction from the EPA fails to do their job and endangers communities and residents. One thing you can't ignore is the pollution. You can't ignore the noises that are made, can't ignore the smells. You can't ignore the bad water. You can't ignore the green gas pollution. It can't be ignored. And we're going to talk about it today because we need voices that are going to stand up and say, Okay, there's some things we have had enough of, and today we're going to talk about it.

2:21 My guest today as Catherine Chitwood. She is a technology founder and systems architect focused on deep tech through her venture making Smiles Happen. As the lead auditor for Case five one one, she specializes in the msh U one one Dignity Protocol, a forensic framework designed to bridge the gap between AI energy usage and ecological responsibility. Her work identifies infrastructure necrosis by auditing the divergence I mean digital ledgers and physical resource solvency. I'd like to invite Catherine to join me because we want to talk about this and have time thoroughly to discuss the things that are happening.

3:12 Because everybody is all excited about AI, but there are some things that are happening because of all of the data centers, and we need to talk about that truthfully, authentically and let you know what's really going on so then we can have some resolutions and solutions. So Catherine, thank you for joining me today. Yeah, I'm very excited. Yeah. You know, as I was kind of preparing for this show, I really started thinking about it because I work in tech and I started when the first PC came out, so we didn't have these kinds of issues that we have now, and I've seen the progression and the revolution of technology, and you know, I'm excited about the next stage. But you know, the next stage always means there needs to be some preparations. So kind of tell me about some of the pollution problems where you live, or what do you see and smell experience every day.

4:21 So I am about I'm five miles away from the Klispell tribe and they they're phenomenal stewards of our community. And one of the big things with AI and data is the noise and so there's a certain decibel level that it's it's it impacts the the animals, the people, and there's scientific proof that shows that it can cause disruption in your can cause physiological problems, anxiety and things like that, and it's an invisible threat and so you can be living in it a canmun unity and not realize that is what's causing it. And a lot of these large corporations, they've it's been kind of built into their business model to financially be able, to avoid accountability, and we're learning that's not healthy for our economy and for our people. And so just because something has money on paper doesn't mean that it's good for our community.

5:26 So we introduced AI and it's great. And like you said, you know, we went from analog systems and Internet being introduced, and we're kind of in this window of time where AI is this phenomenal evolution of that processing power, but it's not being fully applied to our governance in a way that can kind of help make some of these help some pride, some solutions. So instead, we. Have over five thousand AI plants in the United States and China has less than five hundred. Right, we have a ton of them, and we brought them all in because they're you know, they're the next step.

6:11 But we like through the DoD all. Their analog computer systems, they don't talk to each other the same way that like AI systems can, and so we have this black hole where it's not being It's not that the work's not being done, it's just that it's the computers aren't talking to each other. And so now we've got five thousand data plants across the country and we're we're seeing ecological environmental damage and data breaches. They specifically, uh, you know, with our legacy systems, how we learned how to organize our information was based just normal draft records and homes and things like that. As history progressed, well, IBM was used during World War two.

7:00 Cost that it's a technology firm, and it's not to say the technology is a bad thing, but how it's applied absolutely can affect human beings. And we have to not take our autonomy out of the autonomous systems that we're trying to apply to help the people, because right now they're kind of being they're being out of their lifted out of their jobs because all these firms are trying to finance you know, the AI boom, but that money isn't getting to the people's and then environmentally, it's really causing a lot of problems. So we see like in Oregon, I've looked at studies where twenty five out of thirty homes in the Uma River basin there were miscarriage cases. There's a lot of high nitrate and chemical Not necessarily the chemicals are coming like that anybody at the particular facility is doing anything wrong with chemicals. What it is is it's the it's the infrastructure damage that is done by fans. So when there's thousands of fans that are running, that causes vibration. And so it also when you're running a really like a lot of megawats, that's pulling power away from the municipal systems, so you'll have like draw downs and lags. And when you have that and you're on a closed loop system you're plumbing,

8:35 that causes a drop in the pressure of your water power, and so there's more of the you know, the bacteria whatever or alfhi bluem essentially. So so a normal. Combatant to that for most counties would be that they it's typical to use a certain safe number or certain safe level of like a chlorine flush. But we're seeing more commonly in these counts that that's being used as It's not being used as like an emergency measure to balance the types. It's being used as like we got to clear out again because they were getting all gunked up and yucky. Well, then that chlorine makes it to the people.

9:17 So yeah, it sounds like, okay, you know, we just really have a major problem here. Yeah we knew this, Yeah, because we did have you know, small, smaller usage of the data centers now, and they knew exactly what was going to be required. Why didn't somebody set up a plan of how we're going to do this safely. Why didn't they consider, Hello, use some dollars to rebuild the infrastructure we have so it could handle some of these areas don't even have they've never even had Wi Fi because they didn't have infrastructure. And now you want to with these enormous data centers and their communities and just flood them with all of these pollutants because you don't have a good infrastructure to start with, you know, I mean I was in a storm back in South Dakota and we were shut down for weeks and weeks and weeks from a snowstorm because the infrastructure, the electrical system that we had the grids, had not been changed since nineteen twenty two something that's like, are you kidding me?

10:31 This two thousand? Come on, people, you know what are you doing with the money? And this is and so now everybody has to suffer because people didn't plan. And then when there's money involved, everyone jumps on board these these You know, I love tech, but I know that this is, to me, is very irresponsible that you didn't think about the fact that you were going to need data centers, you were going to need to have some way of cooling these this equipment so that it could manage all of this. And then now you've got everybody in the world in there wanting to do their little cat thing all day, loll on the system, and it's just using up, using up fresh water. We barely have fresh water now because of other pollutants that we've had, and now we're doing this without any consider This is what frustrates me. When did somebody do what do you call it an environmental study to see what the results were going to be. It's not like you hadn't used data centers, because you know, when we first went to the cloud, you had to have data centers, so you knew how much was going to be needed. You knew the needed a cooling system, you knew you were going to need the water, and yet you didn't do anything to build us structure that could really manage this better

12:02 than what we're doing right now. I mean, what is that. It's not like you didn't have the money. I know you all got the money. You corporations. I've worked for corporations. You had the money to do this right. And I. Hate to say, but it it. I think that what we're coming to in our country is it's really going to show who the what entities and states are trying to play above board and which ones are maybe trying to present as if they are above board. Because when our particular facility. Was brought in here, it was like twenty twenty, So I was thinking about the timeline like AI for it to have been brought in here at that time, that's way before we had before the general public knew a whole lot about AI and data, and I was thinking the same thing, like why would they put that into a rural community and it's kind of.

13:00 A doubleshed sword. It's like we're rural communities who are a high concentration, high population of retired there. They have their land, but that's what they have under their feet. They're not they're not rich in money. They have what they have to hold on to and they've made a lot of them have made the sacrifice that their sons and daughters didn't have to to go into the military. And when our AI and data facilities have been established based off of the data that we have recorded, then one of the biggest ones is going to be our military files all around the world, every country, and so it really creates a perfect it's a microcosm. It's like they could see us on a map and we couldn't see them, and our military wouldn't have known to be looking for evil.

13:51 They don't. They wouldn't know when they when someone comes and the person is in uniform and they're they're acting as on behalf of AI Corporation as opposed to on behalf of the uniform that they're wearing our military. Our local residents are going to see that as a respectful person, an individual that they can trust, whereas that person is not representing on behalf of our country and on behalf of us as people. They're representing the firm that is making money. They have an you know, an objective there, and so that's very It makes me feel frustrated, like how dare you take advantage? And then you know when So I ended up my husband worked for this data facility and I dropped off a letter of intent for them to reclassify to agricultural and I did that the first week of January and they responded to that by calling the sheriff on me. And then a month later they had they terminated in and I had filed with the SEC as a whistleblower. They know that, and it kind of was just it's it's hard because I the more that I'm reading, the more I'm learning is that this is a pretty common tactic when there's regulatory capture. And that's why we have to have transparent systems in places, because somebody can say that they are they're doing their job, but it's our right now.

15:09 They're even hiding. Yeah, they're lighting with the names of the company that's even there. They're putting in different names and you know, so that that you know is pretty concerning. You know, you need to own up if you're going to go in and destroy a community, own up that you're the person responsible for it, because you're the one that needs to spend your billions of dollars to you know, fix this community. There are people's lives involved here, and this is the part. You know, I have several shows about you know, even healthcare and different things. We have taken humanity out of our business and now we're just you know, everything's like robotic people are not even considered.

15:56 You know, it's almost as if you know, we're disposable. We're not disposable. We're human beings. We are creatures that were created by the Creator himself, and no one has the right to just go in and poison you know, communities and do different things. Now, maybe you know, I'm going to try to be really nice about this. Maybe some of the organizations, these corporations, I doubt it, but didn't realize what the impact was going to be. But now that you know what the impact was going to be, what are you doing to make a solution? And putting in another data center isn't the solution? The solution is identifying how can you reduce the amount of impact, the noise, the light, the green, you know, the gases that are being admitted, you know, because they've got to keep using fresh water because it'll destroy the database if the water isn't clean, so they can't even reuse the water that they have, So they're dumping water which has pollutants on it in the water system. Then you have all the noise from it running, you know, twenty four to seven, and then yeah, it's impacting people. They're not ended up having enough energy, their costs are going up, their water isn't clean. All of these are things as a result that somebody failed to their study or knew that if they did their study, they wouldn't be able to do the data center after all, and the whole thing is

17:29 there with so many data centers. You got more data centers than you have agriculture right now, and with some data centers, this is what I came up with. We're getting ready to try to use these data centers is the next commerce. We're going to use it, you know, because we've lost the ability to manufacture the way we used to. You know, we used to be king of manufacturing. No, we outsourced all of that, haven't gotten it back, and so we don't make anything to bring money here. This is going to be currency, so that, yeah, there's money.

18:11 You know what happens when money is involved. Yeah, with eyes ears can't hear people can you know? It's told so you know, we have to It's wonderful to have AI, but there's consequences, and I think we need to let people know. It's a beautiful thing that we've come to this level, this this level in the tech world. But when it begins hurting people's lives, destroying communities, killing off animals and all things like that, is it worth the dollar? That's Is it worth the dollar to have people hurting you know, the health issues they're getting you know.

18:55 Oh, and I really feel like out here where we're we are right by the reservation, I feel like it creates a really inconsistent environment for children. Who are they're humans and they're going to be adults. We're not raising babies, were raising humans are going to be out in the world as adults. So when you have a Caucasian child and an Indigenous child who are having inconsistency in how an adult teacher is handling them because that adult teacher is participating in an ecosystem of high school politics more than actual like beneficial politics for the community. Like it doesn't teach the kids anything. It teaches them that, like people are not accountable, people don't have ethics, and they're not they're lying, they're not fault.

19:51 You know, they say one thing and they're doing another, and. It just it's it the way that I think that what I hope that I as a society, as a global population, that we're maturing to and coming conscious of, is that with these systems and our legacy, how we organized information before it was it was a targeted attack on. Minority populations or the beginning of these in you know, the information collection, so where their indigenous populations were already remotely isolated when they started having their children go to public schools. It wasn't as a means of philanthropy. It was as a means for the public school to be able to say, I have this number of students who are indigenous, and we get a check for that. And so it commodifies human beings as opposed to incentivizing the nurturing of human beings. And they're just it's two totally different, you know.

20:51 And what they've done studies about other types of pollutants in communities, and they've shown that most of the time, these kinds of centers, these kinds of nuclear you know, things that have been put in communities, they've been always placed in communities that are low income, minority, or indigenous. So now, obviously there's a reason why you would have put them in those particular places. I don't want to think about how just how terrible that is or what could have been going through your mind that you would say, let's put in this community because these people, you know, are disposable. Is that is that the mindset? What was the mindset that this has happened so many times that it's a pattern, it's not an accident, it is a pattern.

21:42 It is a thought out pattern, and that within itself, is so absolutely disturbing that, yeah, we have to speak out, we have to make our voices heard, because just because economically we're not at the million dollar level or the billion dollar level, doesn't mean that we don't have value. Everyone takes breath, you know, when they come from the wound, they take a breath, They breathe, breathe, in value, and they are valuable and they have a purpose, and no one has a right to just do things like that and poison water and no Michigan was going through this where they the water was poison and so desperately and just different things are happening, and I think we really need to, like, we need to do a hard check because the shop really sinister and wrong when you know what you're doing can harm communities, not two or three, we're talking about whole communities of people, and that within itself what Congress sent it, Hey, what are your people doing that You are not paying attention to this kind of behavior. You're there making laws, but then you're not even in they're not enforcing it because the EPA is supposed now you're you know, looking at this and seeing it it's a problem. Hello, where are you hiding?

23:13 Yeah? Yeah, And it's That's what I've just continued expecting to find at some point, was like somebody is going to come forward and tell me that I was grossly mistaken, and they've got all of the you know, all their their te's crossed and everything's good. No, that's not what's been going on. They want you to believe that they have it all handled, but it's been a rushed situation. They brought in AI and data without testing it because they didn't they wanted to be able to ask for forgiveness later, not ask for permission preemptively. They don't want to invest in it in what could benefit beforehand because it's a profit margin situation. So that's why they're able to easily justify like, well, if if it hurts a few or whatever, It's like, I don't know how you justify that when it comes to people, but there are That was one thing with the EPA specifically in my county, I was able to find email. I did a bunch of Foyer requests, and I was able to get email and text documentation from around twenty twenty two.

24:15 And so. Our congressmen knew back in twenty twenty and leading up to now about AI and that it was going to be brought into the States because, like you said, it's an efficient way of governance. But when those congressmen are specifically maneuvering around rural counties having EPA oversight, that's it's like, how is that not a conflict of interest? We have the EPA for. We care about the environment because we care about the people. People depend on the nature and the animals. So it's what they did was they filed paperwork essentially for DEI, so that we would be on paper. It was like, well, we're too poor, we can't do all the jump through all these hoops, so just let us do this and everything's good.

25:00 It's all kosher. And they were able to avoid doing an audit and a ground survey that would have told them we've got a nineteen sixty four bridge that's on its last legs. We've got a nineteen sixty. Four transformer as well, and we haven't done a survey. And they changed a rural five zone into industrial to put that data data facility in and the people have a right to speak out against that. There are people who have been depending on are there's a freshwater stream that's on Leclair and because of how the water table when the pud or the dam when they manipulate the water, and we're in an area that has a water table and it's been flooded before and everything just because the water's not wet at one time, it's all being affected.

25:49 Because the water speaks underneath the soil, the to each other, whether we can see it or not. And things are happening to where like that fresh water stream could be collapsed. People who have been depending on that as their water for decades that goes away. And that's in a rural five zone that's being directly impacted by an industrial introduction that the people didn't get a chance to vote on to vote on. But yet even in that, the EPA has a responsibility. It is their policy. It's the policy everywhere. You're not even supposed to be able to build anything until you go in and do a study of the effects that it'll have, you know, on the people there, the effects on the water, the effects on it. You are supposed to do that study before you ever even probably draw your blueprints, let alone start construction and already in business.

26:48 So what happened to the study? Did you ever see the EPA study? So we don't. Yeah, so where's the oversight, because then someone's supposed to be saying, okay, we see these buildings here, we need to see that oversight was there. You obviously got approve of by the EPA to do this because of the impact it's going to have. Then the EPA is now responsible for the cleanup. But if they didn't do a study, someone I'm also an accountant, someone didn't follow the business processes, and someone didn't do the audit to make sure that the study was done.

27:35 And if one was done, somebody didn't really do it correctly, or you would have identified these issues before you've got these billion dollar buildings sitting on it. So the whole process failed. But I don't know that it was accidental, because this is everybody else, you know. I do work with cities and counties and states putting in SISS and I see the policies and things, and I understand that they have to do environmental studies. So I'm not understanding what happened in the in the state and in the county and in the city where you resided. Yea, that study wasn't done. And then federally, it's supposed they're supposed to make sure that the study is being done, especially something that they already know impacts communities. So we have a real major communication failure, or we have some things that might even be worse going on. I know these corporations are huge. I know they have lots of money.

28:43 I know they give money to your campaigns, But Okay, somewhere along the line, there has to be a conscience. Somewhere on the line. You have to have character or integrity enough to say, do you know there's people at the end of this road here? Do you know what we're doing to the people? You don't care about the animals. I know that you don't care about the environment, But there's people living there with children that are going to have to grow up and then aren't going to grow up healthy, all because somebody didn't do their job. There was this accidental? Was it deliberate? But I think yes, there needs to be an audit of it because there's total failure here. And in the meantime, during that time, maybe they're going to have to shut down some of these data sites until they do the job right and come up with some solutions. And that's just why we give.

29:39 You know, we vote for these people. We put them in an authority to make right decisions on behalf of the citizens, not the corporations. Stop this story that corporations are people too. That is a lot. They're not people now, oh my goodness. Last time I checked, they're not bring, they're not eating well, they are stuck on the ball. The water, but they're not people and they don't have a right to be a part of a vote. So stop paying money out for your corporation because it's not a person. It's an organism, but it's not a human organism, so it doesn't have voting rights, and we need to some of this stuff needs to stop or we're never ever going to stop this behavior that's destroying people, you know, And I think it's.

30:31 It's a lot of people. They have a it's a different perspective, like polar opposite perspective on the green like go green initiatives, and it's it's interesting, I feel like there's been this it's almost like an intentional misrepresentation. So we have so many wealthy corporations that are green washing, and that's not the same thing as like actual being a circulatory system. That's that's it's basically paying money to appear as if you're being beneficial, you know, going green, and then we find out like well they were throwing stuff away on an island somewhere or whatever, like just because you lied about it on paper, that's not green, and it's it comes out like the universe.

31:24 It's I believe that energy can't be created or destroyed. I believe that lies are going to come out. And you know, that's kind of where we're coming to is with this progression of technology, all of the little white lies on paper and how we organize things and did our stuff, it's gonna come to we're being able to see. It a lot better right now. Yeah, yeah, And I think they're not up and this is about money because they're putting these centers in so they can let people go for these these these. Systems to do you know, major jobs and so now we don't have So where's the benefit here? Oh, well, you can come in and work at the data centers or you're going to there's jobs to be had, not at the level that are going to be needed. And that was another thing that has not been thought out.

32:20 You don't do these kinds of things without having a full business plan as to what the impact is going to be, what's going to take place, what are going to be the results? How am I going to plan for a whole new workforce? You know that when they you know, way back in you know, after World War two, all of the you know, development of systems and things like that, they had to figure out what to do with the workforce and New Jobs team and things like that. Where's that plan if you're going to be replacing all these people with AI, where's the plan of new jobs? What are they supposed to be doing?

33:00 And we you know, as a country, it's it's been we we made it to where our education system was a profit sector instead of just an an entitlement, like people should be entitled to the education. We should not be charging people to learn because it keeps us ignorant and then. We don't improve or you know, evolve. So so now people are arguing over what green really is and what. It just it's I lost trade of thought. But it's it's really hard because you they're they're rushing for this, like great thing, but we're going to burn down the power grid in the process, and we don't have enough linemen. We're looking at a deficit of like four hundred thousand not specifically alignment, but like the hours itself, because we can't just hire four hundred thousand lignemen. We're already looking at a power anticipation or power in crease or draw We're supposed to be looking at like a demand increase of double by twenty thirty two. So if our power demand is going to go up by that much, we need a lot of linemen.

34:10 To be able to do the actual physical. Labor on the ground. And our lead time for our transformers is like one to two years right now. It's like, you guys aren't being you're not being resourceful, and you're not you're not being careful with your If they were to do liquid immersion cooling, the copper would last longer. Because they're not doing liquid immersion cooling, the copper gets burned up faster. So my whole thought is like, you guys, your wastefulness doesn't get to justify the rest of us right burn into death. Like we got to figure out something that benefits everybody that we're not wasting our copper. We're doing it efficiently. These minerals, you know, we can't be we can't be rushing.

34:52 It has to be done correctly. It needs to be done correctly. And the thing is that you were saying there aren't enough people to do the work. Because somewhere somebody got rid of shop in the high school so that guys or any girls would learn trade skills. Because you need someone to climb the poles. You need someone who understands electricity, You need someone who understands the plumbing and the water. You need a whole lot of skills. But you didn't think about getting everybody trained and having the workforce to do that. So you know, come on, people, I mean, yes, it's wonderful that you have created AI, but come on, you know all this other stuff that was going to have to be done, and you didn't prepare for a workforce to be able to do it right, like you said, So we could have built the grids so they wouldn't be burning up, they would be more sufficient and things like that and probably would not be utilizing that power of the way it is. But no, we didn't think about that. And all of the people who have the skills are like being older and retired, and the younger ones have not. So if you want to do something, let's start getting some skills training, you know, oasises all around the country and start attracting younger people

36:25 to get into the trades and the skills. And if you have to give them a sign on bonus dad gone, and I've seen you do it for other stuff, give them the money to encourage them. It's worth their time to come and become entrepreneurs in the area of trade. This is so poorly thought out. Yeah, and I know so many there's so many ways that we could implement different education into AI, you know, are like localized facilities. And I believe that we're going to have a really really strong nation is if we have to have our security and our stability locally in our local counties. You can't have you can't do that just for the whole nation all just one because if you're if your trade or if your distribution routes go down, or if one spoke breaks, it ruins the whole thing.

37:23 So it's like, yeah, we have to have localized and out here we're kind of in the position where like they were teamed up with WSU and then that I guess fell apart. I don't. I'm not really sure. That kind of seems like maybe. That was they knew that that was going to fall amart, But it's I think that that is the way to do it, is that universities can pair with. These data facilities. Technicians can be on the ground learning how to operate out of fix the machinery or learning the trade of being the lineman they can be, they can be. I had a proposal that I put together for called a pilot seventy one, and essentially it would be we're using AI to take the unused hotel rooms that aren't booked for all the hotels across country and they need that tax right off because otherwise it's just sitting.

38:15 And so they use an API system in AI and they would. Essentially have any of their upcoming like expiring reservations in the next five to seven days, they would just divert those to an API that was solely for being resold because they know that they're not. Going to book those hotel rooms. And then when they're sold, we sell them for one hundred dollars and the money from that goes towards healthcare funding goes towards students who are learning how to do you know? This all originally was inspired because my husband needed an oral reconstruction surgery back in September, so I was working for the Kallispelled Daycare. I resigned from my job to start my website, Making Smiles Happen, because he needed forty two thousand dollars and we didn't have insurance and they don't off they don't allow you to use I mean, insurance doesn't cover an oral reconstruction, which is crazy because it's significant enough that it could kill him, but not significant enough that we can use insurance. So I had this idea, like, well, if we could sell four hundred and twenty rooms at one hundred bucks a pop, that would pay for my husband's life. It would save his life. My father in law ended up he believed in the website and he gave us the money as a loan. And I've since then just been networking with people on LinkedIn, and I realized, like, well, my website depends on AI and this can help me. I want to help as many people as possible, and AI depends on these facilities working. And if my husband works at the one right up the road, like maybe they would

39:46 be interested. So I just think it's more the more human beings that start working together. A creative solution, yeah, and then. We're definitely we'll get there. How do you think citizens can file complaints or petitions to the EPA to make them aware you need to. Come and do something about this, you know, And I don't have a lot of experience with like that, specifically with the EPA, and I know that this is like a totally new realm for them. And I know that most. Government bodies or corporations it's like if you send in a complaint or an email, who knows if you're going to hear back from that. So I have felt like the most like productive has just been publicly like I'm not lying, I'm telling the truth and I have the evidence.

40:37 So somebody needs to like explain what's going on here. No, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I mean I went back and I started looking at, you know, other stations that are talking about the issue. So it's you're not the only one sounding the alarm. It's around the country. Like you say, there's almost fifty five hundred of these around the country. There is a lot of communities in the same position that your community is, and there needs to be there someone that takes this to the floor at congres and say, Okay, we are not following rules here, we are not paying attention to the damage it's causing citizens.

41:27 We're not paying attention to the fact that, Okay, we've got this situation where AI is going to really be able to assist and help organizations and things like that, but we don't have a plan for what's the next workforce is going to look like and where the jobs are going to be. And you know, they're you know, like I said, they try to treat you know, lower income and indigenous people as if we don't have voices. But everybody, this this impacts everyone, and everybody's voice needs to be heard. That we need to have some real thought put into what's going on with AI and the introduction of it, And because just like you said, just the amount of energy that it absorbs, it was just astounding to me to see that. You know, when somebody's just asking chat GPT a question, it's like enough power for one hundred thousand homes? Are you kidding me? And people are on here like every second of the day and just slucking up power and energy and things like that, and uh, there just needs to be more plans put out there, and if there are plans that you already have, you need to go public and let people know and make them aware that we have plans. We've heard your cries, We're thinking about what's happening, and we've got solutions and

43:01 this is what we're going to do. How long's it going to take to get it done what communities can expect. But silence is not You can't ignore it and you can't be silent. Somebody needs to speak out. Every one of those corporations needs to have a spokesman that's going to stand up and say, yes, we have data centers. This is what it's going to do, not just for your company or for the community, for the nation and whoever else in the world if you have global customers. But you need to start speaking about these situations like today, Yeah, it's not today tomorrow, because you're supposed to have the plan.

43:46 So somebody come out and start telling people what's going on, so they're not sitting there suffering and feeling hopeless and helpless because it's difficult to fight, you know, government issues without a whole lot of clout and so you know, if you don't have, you know, someone that goes up the Congress every day, you know, the standing on the steps and runs in and talks to people, you're not going to be heard. Yeah, and that's not fair, that's not you know, what are the timelines. We want to know what the timelines, realistic timelines to fix the grids, to fix the problems, to tell us what your solutions are to the future about jobs and plans for you to set up training centers for all of these skills that are needed so that infrastructure can be done. Stop saying, well, we don't have anyone to do it. Then put your money where your mouth is and start paying, not charging them, start paying for the workforce that you need. How about them.

44:57 I know that you'll put that in your plans. I know you can put it in your budget because since you have such a wonderful tax benefit of zero, then take that benefit and use it the right way that benefits the people who are purchasing and using your products. That would be And that's the thing. It just felt totally backwards because like the engineering proposal that I am presenting, we're talking about two thousand pounds of fodder for the buffalo herd every single day. We're talking about ten to twenty to thirty acres of greenhouses that are heated just from the heat from the miners.

45:40 So that heat is coming off anyways, and this heat is the biggest problem that our country is facing because it's it's our power grid was not built for AI and it runs on a totally different wave and so and for every six degree increase that our power grid does. It it's called the argeneous man and it will cut the life span of our power transformers in half. And so everybody just thinks like it's the same as a regular power like plug in or like the paper mill that used to be here, and that was different. It was rotating, it was it's a different kind of draw. And so when you just have a plug in, which is AI, it's hard and it's like it's at capacity power and then or not. And so where the paper mill was like gradually like up to eighty five megawatts, the AI facilities are like it's six hundred watts. And then that is not producing any food. That doesn't make any sense. So that's that's the same thing as people who went through the Irish famine or any indigenous community that's ever suffered at the hands of colonialism, where the resource extraction is happening, and you came here for the cheap power. So if you're not going to produce some food for people or some flodder for this herd, then you don't need to be here. You're not benefiting us in a way that keeps us strong as a community.

47:10 And so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it can be mutually beneficial. You know for everybody involved. It would benefit the AI facilities because they would cut their power bill in half if they were to switch over to AG. And you know, we're not asking for being in control of their AI and their data. We're asking for what they're throwing away, which is the heat, and what they're throwing away could feed the community. And so it's just wasteful, it's inefficient, and then we're looking at higher power bills, higher property tax rates, all of that because they got they came in here, so they come in here and they're this multimillion dollar corporation, so on paper that says that everybody's property value has to go up. Well, if they're getting the thirteen million dollar break and our property values are going up, that doesn't make sense. Our food's going up, or gases going up, our properties are going up. We don't get any say on what they're doing in the community or if they're bringing anything to the community. And it seems like a raw deal.

48:10 It is it is, and what we need, our environmental justice advocates. I really do appreciate you bringing this to my attention because this affects everyone. It made me start looking about where the data centers are around around where I live, and there is like, you know, forty miles this way and twenty miles the other way, And like I said, a lot of people they don't realize they impacted having on them personally. And so we need those environmental justice advocates because it's not just environmental it's also our own personal sovereignty. Yes, I'm a person. I have a right to clean water. I have a right a right to to decent breathing air. I have a right to have be able to go outside. I have a right to be able to go to bed and sleep and not have noise whirling in my brain all night and causing all kinds of you know issues. You know it affects the nerves and all this. We have a right to do that. We are citizens. We have a right to have that individual sovereignty that says I need more and I expect more, and guess what you need to come and give us more. These are billion dollar corporations.

49:39 We are the ones that have allowed you and helped you to grow to this stage where you are just super rich. Flowing flow some of that money back into the communities. I just want to say thank you for being here, Katherine. This was just so enjoyable, and thank you for joining us and join us to become advocates to fight for our communities, our neighborhoods so that we can get more answers to what's going on. Thank you for tuning in to a Sharp Outlook. We're here every Monday at eleven am Eastern time, eight am Specific time, and we're here to keep you knowing what's going on.

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