May 5, 2026

The Messy Middle of Change: Aligning Purpose with Action in Real Organizations

The Messy Middle of Change: Aligning Purpose with Action in Real Organizations
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Season 1

Transformation sounds inspiring on a slide deck—but it feels very different when you’re the one in the room, facing resistance, skepticism, and real-world constraints. In this conversation, I’m joined by Captain David Gallimore, host of the REGENERATE podcast. We talk about the real, messy work of change. What actually happens between a bold vision and the day-to-day grind. If you’ve ever tried to change your own life and felt stuck, this conversation will give you practical tools.

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Hello, and thank you for tuning in to a Sharp

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Outlook on pay for HD radio and Talk or TV.

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I am Angela Sharp, your host our arm chair discussions

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with industry experts will give you the steps, tools and

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information to be successful in business and to prepare you

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to be your best self. Hello, I'm Angela Sharp, and

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thank you for tuning in to a Sharp Outlook. Today

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we're talking about being able to regenerate, but we want

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to tell you there may be some messy portions in

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the middle trying to get to where you want to go,

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and we want to talk about that so you're totally

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aware about everything when you're trying to make those new

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steps in your life. The missing middle of change, you know,

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aligning purpose with actions in your real life and in

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real organizations. Transformation sounds inspiring on the slide deck, but

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it feels very different when you're the one in the

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room facing resistance, skepticism, real world constraints. And in this conversation,

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I'm joined by Captain David Gallimore, who hosts the Regenerate

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podcast right here on top four TV or k four

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HD dot com. We talk about the real, messy work

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of change, what actually happens between a bold vision and

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the day to day grind, why so many purpose driven

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initiatives fail to influence behavior, budgets or incentives. If you've

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ever tried to change a team, a company, or even

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your own life and felt stuck, this conversation will give

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you practical tools, hard won stories, and a hopeful but

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honest look at what it takes to regenerate how we lead.

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Our leaders can move from performative sustainability to truly regenerative

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impact on people, the planet, and profit. David shares field

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notes from the bridge of a ship, the boardroom, and

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the classroom, plus practical ways to navigate uncertainty, aligned teams,

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and stay grounded in purpose when everything around you is shifting.

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If you're a leader, founder, or change maker trying to

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do work that matters without burning out or selling out.

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This episode is for you and I'm glad you joined

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us today. My guest, as I mentioned, was David Gallimore,

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tech intrapreneur turned executive coach, entrepreneur, professor, and USCG Lycen

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Maritime Captain. We unpack what real transformation looks like when

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you're in the messy middle of change, politics, fear, resistance,

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and all of these things. David has spent over twenty

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five years as a tech entrepreneur inside companies like IBM, Boeing, CAJU, Mini,

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and T Mobile, and another two decades as an entrepreneur, professor,

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executive coach, writer, speaker, and you USCG Maritime Captain. He's

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here to help us look at that messy middle and

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come up with solutions. I'd like to invite David to

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the show right now so we can get this conversation

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going because you really need to hear what he has

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to say.

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Hello, David, angela happy Monday, and I brought the armchair

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for our armshare discussion.

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Yeah, thank you, we need that.

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Comfort.

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Really looking forward to collaborating with you, and I know

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you have lots of opinions about change and as a

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change agent yourself, so looking forward to our conversation.

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All right, great, Well, what I'd like to ask you, David,

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is what is your origin story.

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I started in a family British aerospace engineer father and

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a computer programming mathematic mother, both immigrants.

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My dad from England.

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I'm from Eastern Canada, and so I very much identify

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being a global citizen more than I do being even

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an American right now, especially right now.

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I grew up in a wonderful family.

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Learned to sail at five years old, or to play

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the piano at seven, So music and sailing were a

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big part of my growing up and I didn't know

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it at the time, but I had this neurodiversity adhd

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wired brain, so I was always taking on really more

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than I could handle, but being deadline driven got a

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lot done. Very much grew up in a family that

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recognized effort and achievement. You'll hear a little bit when

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we talk about identity and how one's identity gets formed.

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In those early years, I would say my parents, because

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of their step upper left British, not necessarily the most

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motive people, and I felt more loved when I achieved

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putting gano competitions or doing well in school. That led

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to going to university in Connecticut, and I studied math

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and realized that I was not very good at math,

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but I was going to do what I could to

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be better because in the eighties, you know, the best

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paying jobs were doctor, lawyer, management consultant, and so I

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was choosing the management consultant path, not realizing that it

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really wasn't a very good fit at with my personality.

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But back in the eighties, very much a go go,

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you know, get a good job, by a house, get married,

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and dream and so I bought into all of that

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achievement and kind of materialistic lifestyle. Passed forward. Met my wife,

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Margaret and Native American.

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Tal tan.

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She's now an elder, and changed my life. She was

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so grounded in nature and I think she really was

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an early early adopter of sustainable thinking for generation. And

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the distinction that I need is the generation is improving

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the health of people in our environment, where a sustainability

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is doing no harm right maintain you know, current current

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ways of being.

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So during my career.

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Of thirty five years, I was that guy that could

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translate executive vision and mission into tech speak and look

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at disruptive technologies and figure out how to capitalize on

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that technology to create new business models. So, in your

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kind introduction, thank you for that. I did six entrepreneurial

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in other words, entrepreneurship inside large organizations. My neurodiversity, I

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could kind of see around the corner and connect the

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dots that others couldn't connect, and created a number of

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valuable businesses. A training business for IBM that we grew

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from nothing to seven and a half million dollars in

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about eighteen months, dot com for Boeing that we grew

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to a billion dollars a year in part sales and software,

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and Gemini to practices. So I really got to see

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how does change manifest in large organizations. Certainly not for

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the faint of heart, And as a result of sometimes

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being a little early, my career has been kind of

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up and down in terms.

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Of revenue and income.

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And then, just to finish my origin story, I got

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laid off in twenty seventeen by cap Gemini with two

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other vps and directors. And I had just helped create

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a practice, a digital innovation practice from nothing to about

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twenty one million, and was doing a second practice, but

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it wasn't yet profitable and so was on the list

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to get released, and I really think had an awakening.

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I've discovered my core values, which are love and that

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includes family, community, empathy, kindness, you know some of those

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EQ quotient skill set.

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Adventure.

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I used to have challenge, but I was having far

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too many problems in my life, so I chose to

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pivot to adventure, and I have far fewer problems and

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way more, way more fun heating and building. So I

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love to see ideas right through the art to execution MM.

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And finally, leadership because everything begins with an idea, and

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ideas only come to fruition through individual or team leadership.

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Therefore, leadership is everyone's business.

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And I think you and I've had this good discussion

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about how influence we can be leaders at any place

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in an organization, not just at the at the highest level.

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So that'll be a theme that we can we can

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pick up as well, because I know you and I

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both care about young people and helping them.

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With their right mental health challenges.

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And then just to finish up, I figured out, well,

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where is gray hair valued? Ah, maritime captain, and because

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I've so much sailing at that point, done five ocean adventures,

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including a Coast Guard helicopter visit when we sprang a

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leak two hundred miles off Oregon about sixty two thousand

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nautical miles and earned my one hundred ton master. So

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I've done deliveries all over the world, but mainly ele sailors.

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It's kind of my pay it forward getting back into

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nature and one with the whales and the porpoise and

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the seals and the sea lions. It's just magical to

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be on the water and the teaming, the team building

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that comes with people on a confined space, you know,

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a sale boat. And I would say the last two

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and a half years I've been focused on regenerative thinking

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and principles and in practice selling this house so that

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we can shed We don't need the space, my wife

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and I and the half an acre and I go

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to a family that's really going to enjoy it and

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simplify and reduce our footprint in the world. And I'll

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just end by saying it's such a privilege to pay

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it forward.

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To my clients.

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There are so many of them that our career coaching

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clients for their executive coaching clients, and they're struggling as

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am I, and how to make the world that we

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live in today, and how do we stay grounded and

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resilient and make better decisions using applied critical thinking. So

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it's privileged to be a part of their journey. And

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then I have to be a person of integrity. I

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have to do the work myself, on myself my clients,

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otherwise I'm kind of hypocritical. So it's been and it's

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been a very challenging hero's journey, some might say, of

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my shifting from being a corporate program manager executive program

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manager to being an entrepreneur or solopreneur and trying to

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do the right thing in times of uncertainty.

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So long answer to a short question, but.

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Hopefully that gives listeners a little bit and yourself a

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better three D of Dave.

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Right.

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Well, so just listening to your story, that kind of

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gives me the question, you know, what led you to

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create the Regenerate podcast? You know, where there are a

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specific moment or frustration that pushed you to start it.

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Are you, like me, wanting to get out there and

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make a difference for the younger generation, getting them, you know, energized,

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getting them involved, getting them in the right direction, helping

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them to find that focus in their life so they

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can live their dream. Everybody can, you know, go to

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school and get a degree and find a job. But

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are you living your dream because you put so many

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hours in two you know, generating work or generating programs

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or generating you know, platforms, or whatever it is that

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you're doing in your daily working career. And I tell

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people all the time, I tell the youth, pick the

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the industry or the profession that you're going to fall

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in love with, because you're going to be doing it

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a really long time, like fifty plus years, like most

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of your life.

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You better love that dog, because if you don't, you're

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going to get up.

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Every day miserable and unhappy and dragging yourself to a

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job instead of singing and dancing and skipping your way

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to your dream that you see being fulfilled in front

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of your eyes. Is that why you're kind of done

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to generate podcasts?

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Well, first of all, I will answer your question, and

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I love how you characterized the importance of what I

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would use a shorthand called ekey guy your gifted that

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what you are passionate about what the world needs at

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this time, and well compensated and when those four circles

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have been.

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Diagram if you will together as possible.

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Right, you are singing and dancing like you were, like

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you were saying. So the answer to your story, to

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your question about why the Regenerate podcast. I have a

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Marshall Goldsmith hunter coaches called a Glinda Sharky who has

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been on We've talked for media for on and off

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for several years.

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And she's in her seventies and she just.

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That show is all about later in life, how do

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She doesn't want to hang up her skates in her seventies.

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She's she read a book called lib to one hundred

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by business school professor, and maybe we can put that

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I'll send it to you. I don't remember professor's name. Now.

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A woman just terrific.

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to really be thinking about what's that next chapter after

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five when a few of us are are going to

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be retiring. So I was on her radio show, her

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first guest, and I had such a blast Rebel Medler,

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who is her producer. She said to me as we

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I've never been told that before, and thankfully she said,

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she didn't say, you have a.

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Sure you do.

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So I just was very inspired to pick up the

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phone and call Dean Piper, and one thing led to another,

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is something that I think could be really fun, and

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it has been.

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I've done twelve episodes.

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I'll do number thirteen right after your show, Doctor Frank

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Wagner talking about leadership and stakeholders, and so, yeah, the

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main reason for the Regenerate show is to pay it

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forward to the next generator who can't necessarily afford the

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bill rate for my executive and career coaching, but they

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need it, and I would love to be an elder

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to help them through this medium. And I think, you know,

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video seems to be a very popular medium for leaders,

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Well, you know, as you were talking, I was thinking

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about the fact, you know, I probably have Regenerated so

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many times it's hard to even keep up with who

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I really am, you know, when I would start some thing,

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or i'd be working in a specific area, I work

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hard to get to a specific level. And when I

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got to that level, I said, oh, okay, so this

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is what this is about. Okay, now I'm bored. I've

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got to do something else, and I wouldn't move on

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to another and another and another. And so I've I've

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just been reimagining myself for years. And when you when

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someone looks at my resume, they probably think, what in

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the world it is so long?

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I mean, I had to cut it down.

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they only want one page. How can I put all

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this on one page. I've just been from the beginning

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to the end and everything in between. And so I've

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seen you know so much and I've done so much.

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But then there's so much more that still needs to

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be done. We see the that's out there right now.

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Our youth needs some direction because we have a new

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evolution of technology and they are kind of more in

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tune than some of us older people. But they need guidances.

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How do you really need to use this? How can

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it really be helpful to an organization? How can it

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really be helpful to a family. How can it really

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be helpful.

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Other than you know, calling up you know, Alexa or

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you know whatever.

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Different speaking things. I don't let don't talk to me.

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It's interesting.

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I was just reading an article about how young people

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are using and when I say young people, I mean,

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let's say thirteen years old to twenties, you know, almost.

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They're more comfortable.

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Social media, texting than they really are with face to

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face conversations and physical, you know, being together in the

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real world. They're more comfortable living in the simulation. And

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so we've never been more connected through this technology, but

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people have been experiencing ever greater loneliness and lack of

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engagement and psychological unsafety. Use that word because trolls that

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are that are on and we all know that genera

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AI hallucinates and young people sometimes don't distinguish what's fact

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from hallucination. Than any stories, sad sad stories of generative

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AI causing people to take their own lives.

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An opportunity for those of us that care about thirteen

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to well, we care about all people, but certainly that.

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That development stage exactly.

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you know, I sometimes go out because I have grandchildren

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in that age group, and you know, I read some

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of that stuff in a kind of like whoa. But

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then I have to understand what they're dealing with. They're

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dealing with, you know, an environment that is more anxious,

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more angry, more you know, solitary. You know, don't feel

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the need to you know, interact face to face or

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anything like that, because they like in this world and

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I don't want to call it a fantasy world, but

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it's a world where you know, you could create all

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these little people and different things and so and I

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used to love paper dolls and I loved, you know,

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all the little cartoons and things like that. But it's

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almost like you're living in a playground space all the time.

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And what I'm trying to do as far as helping

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them with all of that skill that they have, because

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they're making little reels, they're making little stories, they're doing

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things like that. But can I help you guide it

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so that it's something that can be sustainable, that you

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can even turn it into something that you could do

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as a business since you enjoy it where you're actually

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informing and you're actually teaching and you're actually training with

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all of those skills that you have. I mean, those

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are talents to be able to create those little reels

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and those little stories and those little story boards that

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they do.

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But there's more to it than that. And like you

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were saying, the you.

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Know, the them out there, it can hallucinate. But this

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is where they also should know that there's this thing

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called research where you always verify and validate. Somebody didn't

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tell you that part. While you're doing this, to make

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sure that the information you have, look at the resources,

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look at the opposite resources, and then go in and

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compare it. What do you think?

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Yeah, I was just using the analogy of a triangle

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to triangulate. One source could be quite biased, two sources

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might be in conflict. So to go to that course

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and see if there's a consensus esmersion. You know, I

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love what you said about, you know, wanting to help

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young people get out of I call it the simulation.

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That's that's my shorthand doctor Brooks, the Harvard Happiness Professor,

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he use that term as well as simulation. And there's

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nothing wrong. I don't think when you are the consumer

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of where you're spending your time and your money. But

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what I'm noticing and I see it in my own

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behavior sometimes and certainly my twenty nine year old daughter

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and my thirty two year old son. Sometimes it's so addictive, right,

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you get that dopamine hit, you do likes for the

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reels that you continue to. The algorithm continues to feed

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what it thinks you want, because the whole business model

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is stickiness, to have eyeballs, you know, on the platform

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for as long as possible, helping young people be consumers

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and know when to stop right when to buy, you know.

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And what is it really helping them? Or is it

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just a distraction from the very things like should I

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be when I grow up?

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And I'll tell you, I do my life all over again.

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I don't have any regret.

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That's kind of a so it's not a helpful way

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of looking at the world, but I do have. Anywhere

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anybody who's willing to listen, I say, try to get

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clear about your core values. We all share family oral

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treating people with respect, we share those common human values.

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And there's been study after study globally that regardless of age, ethnicity,

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country of origin, those basic human values are are very predictable,

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but that's sorty sufficient to get me out of bed

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on a Monday morning when I just want to put

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my head under the covers. And so the core values work,

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and often it begins with who your heroes and why

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they could be fictional, they could be real, be living dead.

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But that's a great test of your core values because

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you can't see in yourself if you can't first see

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it in somebody else's you're living. And then that set

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of core values. And my recommendation is less than six

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because I can't remember many more than six words, but

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six is a good start, and it becomes a definition

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of success. So in the morning, when I do a

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little bit of journaling, I ask myself, what's one thing

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I could do today that might express leadership or love

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or impact. And following morning, I'll ask myself, so how

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do I do? Marshall Goldsmith, who's been a mentor of

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mine since the probably the last seven or eight years now,

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he has something called the Daily Checklist, where grade yourself.

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It's totally up to you. Did I do my best too?

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Dot dot dot eat healthy, get enough sleep, stay off

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social media, you know, for less than an hour. Whatever

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those things are and then you give yourself did I

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do it or did I not do it? And every

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day asking that question. So I have my core values

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listed in my daily questions, check in and this idea.

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Then you can get one percent better, just incrementally better,

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just a little bit better every day living your core values,

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your definition ofs. And was shocking to me now that

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I've done this for several years, Way happier.

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Way more less kind of blown by the wind.

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To use that metaphor, Well, you know, I was even thinking,

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not just as individuals, when we look at businesses when

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they all start up, they all start out with a

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mission statement. But do they stick to that mission statement

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which identifies what the core values of your company is

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or your product what it's going to be, and when

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they developed that most of them, because I've read a

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whole lot of those over my career, because I've been

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to work for a lot of corporations and nonprofits and

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I've seen, these are your values, this is the direction,

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this is your mission, and it was due no harm,

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and in fact, make an impact in the world, make

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an impact and a community, make an impact with the youth,

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make an impact and education. Okay, what happens that you're

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not meeting the core values, because I'm seeing a whole

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lot of harm coming from corporate you know, behaviors and

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things that they're doing. They're off track. How do you

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get them back on track so that they're back at

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their core values?

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Yeah, such a such a great question.

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Another kind of visual I like to use with my

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executive coaching clients. So I have a software company that

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I've been coaching for the last three and a half

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years and they're growing at one hundred percent a year

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and they're doing really, really well financially. What really makes

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me happy is that who they are, what they say

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to themselves, and how they show up and how they

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present themselves out into the market, those two circles are

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as close together as they possibly can make them. And

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that's a company of integrity. So that and I think

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it's identifying what are the the values of the organization

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and that becomes part of the brand. Brand is not

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just or tagline or you know, marketing stuff. It's what's

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the customer's experience of the company. And so here about that.

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And what I like to do is facilitate just simple

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half day kind of values discussions with leadership teams translating

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that into how might that refine their their vision and

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their mission, what's their what's their brand experience that as

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gelled as possible and get the leadership team aligned, because

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that's so critical. Then to measure the best you can.

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These are sometimes tricky to measure. But then how are

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we actually showing up in.

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The world, showing up and doing it?

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Yeah, primarily, but then also for our customers, right right?

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And like I said, I've worked with a lot of

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major corporations, Fortune ten corporations, and I've worked with nonprofits.

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As I was going in my career, I reached levels

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where I was the one presenting information to the board

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of directors. They were asking me directly, you know, specific things,

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And one of the things I always trying to make

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sure I put in my presentation was their values as

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to why they became a business and how are we

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still achieving those and when we're falling short of that?

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Bringing that you can tell I was really loved.

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You're a true tell by the forward.

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But maybe not the people I work with.

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That's why I consulted for the majority of my career,

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because you do have.

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To tell the truth. You have to have someone who

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00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:16.200
has that kind of that kind of I want to

474
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:20.319
say strength, but also that kind of warrior spirit that

475
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:26.599
this is your job to point out where there are risks,

476
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.680
there are weaknesses, where there are failures, so that we

477
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.599
can change and become what it was we told them

478
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.720
when we started. Or if you're not going to be that,

479
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.440
then you need to change your mission statement and take

480
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.319
it out of your little first page of your annual

481
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:49.359
auto report, because it's not true anymore. It's not true anymore.

482
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.680
You do all the commercials, but then we who work

483
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:58.559
as employees, that makes us feel like we've been betrayed

484
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:04.079
because we are working to help this organization to achieve

485
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.319
all those missions, and then we hear the other little

486
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:12.800
things that are being done behind closed doors. That makes

487
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.079
I know, because I've had employees come to me and

488
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:19.599
tell me how it makes them feel. And so I'm saying,

489
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.199
you have to consider not only the customers, not only

490
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.480
just your stockholders, but you've got to understand you're placing

491
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.599
people who have certain values in your organizations and you're

492
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.960
presenting them with some very difficult things to have to

493
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:41.159
deal with. Go back to the mission, go back to

494
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:46.719
the values, and do a real assessment. You know what

495
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:52.320
I'm saying is that part of regenerate. Hey, regenerate and

496
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.440
get back to where you were supposed to be or

497
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.880
where you started, or change the plan so it actually

498
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.880
shows everyone who you really are. Now, maybe if you

499
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.800
write that down, you may not like who you've become,

500
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.760
and you try to go back and become what you

501
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:12.639
said you were.

502
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:12.800
Going to be.

503
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.599
Yeah, I really think you're onto something. And I don't

504
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.239
know if you got to hear I was stepping on

505
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.719
you with a comment that you're a truth teller and

506
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:29.840
I love the warrior. Yeah, and I think that's true.

507
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:38.400
When an organization is not with integrity, right, they're internal

508
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:42.159
what they say they want to be, but what they

509
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:46.039
actually do when those two circles are moving further and

510
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:53.440
further apartorization, that's out of integrity. Similar individuals like I

511
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.079
mentioned to you when I was pivoting from being a

512
00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:59.960
corporate person to being a solopreneur, I had to live

513
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.400
of my values otherwise I was a hypocrite. And people,

514
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.519
I think human beings, we've developed a really good BS meter,

515
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.880
got a spidery sense when someone is out of integrity.

516
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.760
We don't necessarily know why.

517
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.280
We don't trust them, but we're pretty clear that there's

518
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.960
something you know not right. And so I think that

519
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.280
one of the other reasons that young people are really

520
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:33.039
struggling is they see across corporate right leadership, they see

521
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:38.199
across government leadership, they see across many of our beloved

522
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:44.840
and trusted institutions a lack of integrity. Yeah, and so

523
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:50.800
young people are going, well, this whole formula for success,

524
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.920
what is a successful person? What is a successful life?

525
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.719
Does it mean I have to be dishonest? Does it

526
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.840
mean I have to say one thing and do another? Well,

527
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:03.960
I don't even want to play that game, right, I

528
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.599
think that's right. The reasons why some especially are younger men,

529
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:10.760
are really struggling to struggling.

530
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.119
Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean just think about it.

531
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.119
To be put in a situation where you have to

532
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.800
compromise yourself because you need to get a paycheck, that

533
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.360
is such a really hard position.

534
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:25.400
To be in.

535
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.280
And I mean, I'm going to be honest, it's messy.

536
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:33.880
It's difficult to stand your ground because it means the

537
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.239
lights get shown on where the risk are or where

538
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:42.880
the areas of integrity have really broken down, and you

539
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.360
have to bring that to the leaders and say we

540
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.599
need to do something about this, because this is what

541
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.639
the people who work from you, This is what they

542
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:58.440
think because you have them in compromising situations. Like I said,

543
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.239
I became a consultant instead of an employee because I

544
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.920
wasn't going to be in a situation where I felt

545
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.800
threatened then I'm going to lose my job if I

546
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:08.719
tell the truth.

547
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.000
I'm going to tell you the truth.

548
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:15.840
And I even told people, if you don't want integrity

549
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.920
and you don't want honesty, don't hire me because I

550
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.760
have a gift and I don't you know from above

551
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.880
that helps me find things that just aren't right. And

552
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:34.079
with the financial background and a tech background, it is

553
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.599
a combination that I'm going to find the lost piece.

554
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.440
Whether you I hid it, buried it, whatever you tried

555
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:49.159
to do with it, my bloodhound knows it's going to

556
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:49.840
find it.

557
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.320
And because I had to look so hard, it's going

558
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.199
to be really exceptionally hard on you.

559
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.119
And I mean I have dealt with the Big ten

560
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.480
and had to have conversations with that audit firms. I've

561
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.280
had conversations with board directors and vps and everything else,

562
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:11.960
and you know, and that's part of the missy middle

563
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.800
there when they need to do a transformation. You know.

564
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.599
Do you think that's part of the missing middle?

565
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:20.079
Well, I do.

566
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.320
By the way, I knew, I liked you, and we're

567
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.760
even more kindred spirits than I knew. I have been

568
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.639
a truth teller my whole career. On three occasions, it

569
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.480
cost me my job. Once, I be when I blew

570
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:41.679
the whistle on a bunch of sheanigans with the branch

571
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:49.599
managers and claiming credit for PS two s, which were

572
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:57.320
terrible computers, and to make their numbers, they just they

573
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:02.280
basically lied about where they were in installing them. This

574
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.840
isn't right, And so I got booted out of that

575
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.159
department and thankfully was picked up by a different one

576
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:14.280
and that's when I did my entrepreneurial training business.

577
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.679
But it was really scary.

578
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:21.880
And the second one was at Boeing when our CEO,

579
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:27.760
who was also our sponsor, was ousted by the company

580
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:33.519
and the returning CEO from another merged company came back

581
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.920
and just tout a lack of integrity and I leave

582
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:43.159
after nine years. I had predicted what was going to

583
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:47.639
happen with the mcasts and so many other challenges owings

584
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.679
face over the years because they were focused on financial outcomes,

585
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.159
customers and quality. And when you're producing airplanes that need

586
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:04.079
to be at five nine mins of quality, cutting corners

587
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.679
just to make you know their stock price rise, that that's.

588
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.320
Not who I am.

589
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.239
And I think some people may have an opportunity, just

590
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:20.119
like yourself and me, to learn how to spot broad

591
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:25.639
and learn how to spot lack of integrity and then

592
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:31.000
have the communication skills to be able to communicate that effectively.

593
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.719
I'm sure you've got a very good checklist that you

594
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.079
use when you're about ready to make a board presentation.

595
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.800
You've done your homework, you have facts and data, and

596
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:45.280
that is the messy middle, but it's the right reasons

597
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.199
to hold up a mirror to leadership and say, is

598
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.679
this really who you are? Is this how to be known?

599
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.920
Is this your legacy of corners?

600
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.920
And obviously yeah, this is.

601
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:03.519
And by the way, since I'm bringing this to you,

602
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:07.800
here are some ideas, some recommendations I can think of

603
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:11.320
to maybe turn this around and change it before it

604
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:16.639
becomes a public problem, because believe me, you're not going

605
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:22.320
to continue to succeed going this path. And I even

606
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.840
used to tell when I know as a financial person,

607
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.599
a controller CFO and director of finance and VP of finance.

608
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.159
And I had staff and they're like, oh no, if

609
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.519
I say that, I'm going to lose my job. I said, which,

610
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.360
what do you want to lose your job or who

611
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.480
you are as a person?

612
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:43.280
Yes?

613
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:47.559
And I said, and by the way, and I will

614
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.320
even say it to you educators who are out there.

615
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.480
If you are a teaching your students in college about

616
00:42:54.559 --> 00:43:00.760
becoming accountants or becoming software engineers, and you don't tell

617
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.760
them that part of their job is to make sure

618
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:08.840
regulations are followed and the rules are followed and no

619
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.079
hanky panky has going on in an organization, you have

620
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.199
failed your student because that is going to be a

621
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.800
challenge in their career and they need to know that

622
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:23.599
before they select a career where they're panicking and scared

623
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:25.880
to go to work every day because they see things

624
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.360
and they're scared to tell somebody tell them the truth.

625
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.480
That is their job to find that information and reveal

626
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.960
that information. Somewhere along the line, I was told that,

627
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.840
so I said, that's my job, That's what I'm supposed

628
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:42.119
to do.

629
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.639
And I was going to live up the wood. It was.

630
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.280
I committed to when I took the classes and studied

631
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:54.119
and got the degree and on moving and so I

632
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.840
took it to heart. I took it to heart, and

633
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.159
that's what I became what I am now. I'm just

634
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:03.199
going to tell the truth.

635
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.079
I think you are such a person of integrity, a

636
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:11.039
person of character, and I think we need more of

637
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:14.039
you in the world. I aspire to that as well.

638
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:20.039
I fall short every day, but that one percent incremental improvement.

639
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.920
I'm a bit of a pleaser.

640
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:29.440
To avoid conflict, so I've had to learn how to

641
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.599
speak truth to power, but do it in a way

642
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:32.840
that works for me.

643
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:39.000
Sounds like you're very direct, which I respect. My approach is.

644
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:46.920
Probably more political or more nuanced, but regardless, I think

645
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:52.480
you create more value in an organization when leaders surround

646
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:57.239
themselves with people like you that are able to put

647
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:02.519
together the facts and data, put together the story, but

648
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.960
do it in a way that's respectful, right be heard.

649
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.880
And then I love what you did next, which is

650
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.159
to bring solutions to what you see.

651
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:18.039
Yeah, I always, I always, I identify and do the assessment.

652
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:22.519
I identify the risk, I identify the problems, I identify

653
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.079
the conflicts, I identify the communication breakdowns. I mean, you

654
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.440
have whole departments don't talk to other departments, yet they

655
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.960
are feeding each other information. Well, that's that goes really

656
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:40.000
well as a disaster. And so these kinds of things

657
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.400
they need to everybody's quiet, like I said, because they

658
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.320
don't want to lose their job or make somebody angry.

659
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:52.719
Well call Angela a shark consulting, because that is my

660
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:56.559
job to tell you so that you can make the

661
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:01.440
right proper decisions, especially if you're in leadership, especially if

662
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:06.760
you're the mayor, especially if you're the city council, especially

663
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:12.519
if you're the corporate CEO. Like I said, I learned

664
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.760
from the best because I started at large corporations and.

665
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.840
I saw do you have a favorite story where the

666
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:24.840
outcome of being the truth teller actually produced the business

667
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.880
results that the organization was really needing. I'm just curious

668
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.119
if there's a story that you like to tell about

669
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:36.880
audit truth telling story outcome.

670
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:43.800
M I'll be honest, they all ended up coming up

671
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:49.920
with changes, but some of them didn't end up being

672
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.679
There were there were casualties, I'll put it that way.

673
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:59.599
There were casualties because of the findings and because of

674
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:06.280
the situations that I presented. I did present solutions. I

675
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:14.679
remember doing an implementation for a group for an organization.

676
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.639
They wanted to have a new software system put in,

677
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.760
and so I put in that software system. I found

678
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:30.679
some abnormalities there, and I said to myself, Okay, is

679
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.159
this because they don't understand the process. They haven't probably

680
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:38.880
been properly trained. And they said the other. And it

681
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.000
was one of the situation where there was government funds involved,

682
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.039
and you know the government was trying to say, well,

683
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.320
you know, they're just mismanaging the money. Well I knew

684
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.719
that wasn't the issue. So I had the federal government

685
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:56.559
mad at me, and I had you know, the board

686
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.920
of directors angry because I had to tell them what

687
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.960
the staff had been telling me about what was going on,

688
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.280
and so they wanted that information. I said, you're not

689
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:06.840
getting it.

690
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.360
It's like you better give me that.

691
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.880
I said, excuse me. First off, I didn't ask to

692
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.519
come here. You asked me would I come and work

693
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:18.280
on a project. I didn't knock on your door. I

694
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.800
didn't call you up. You called me, So respect me

695
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:27.159
for that. Secondly, I promised those people that I would

696
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:35.480
never portray their honesty and I'm not going to betray them,

697
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:40.239
So there's absolutely nothing you can say to me except

698
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:42.920
thank you for bringing this to our attention so we

699
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.840
can do something about it. So then I went and

700
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.719
talked to the federal government and I said, first off,

701
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:55.159
you came in supposedly training how to manage these grants

702
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:57.239
and how to handle this funding and how to do

703
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.480
this reporting. Well, I'm here to tell you what you

704
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:04.719
told them wasn't right. So if anybody is responsible here,

705
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.079
it's you. Now, if you want to challenge me, we

706
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.320
can take it to whatever level you want to go,

707
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.360
or you can work with me so we can fix

708
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.400
this and everybody walks away happy. So tell me what

709
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.599
you want to do because I can fight in either battle.

710
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.679
Oh well, let's we'll get this right. Okay, great, And

711
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.880
we were able to do everything we're ever to get

712
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.119
everything set up. We were able to get the funding

713
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:32.480
straightened out, and it was beautiful. I mean, it's I mean.

714
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.960
I had other situations where you know, the auditors, Big

715
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.559
ten auditing firm did not do their job properly, and

716
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they they allowed a company to continue to report working

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process when they had already put it into business and

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it should have been now being depreciated and expenses and

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all this and went over eight years and I found

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it and I called them on the phone. You are

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the audities or record You knew exactly what was going on.

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Now tell me, I'm going to tell you what you're

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going to do. You're going to write a statement that

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there was an air. We're going to slowly appreciate this

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out at this rate because you're not going to slam

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them all at once. But don't make me go and

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tell the public about this.

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Okay, warrior, warrior, truth teller. Power to you. Yeah, And

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I think in this.

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Era of generative AI Angela, I think we need more

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of you, and we need people that have the ability

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to do forensic analysis and really an important applied critical

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thinking is a skill that I've been developing since getting

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certified by Red Team Thinking. Being able to ask five whys,

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kind of like the Toyota to get to the root

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of an issue pre mortem, some of the Devil's Advocate techniques.

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You really get to the truth and if we can

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find the truth, truth.

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Is often relative, but I do believe that there is

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subjective truth. Maybe not like gravity, which is in violate

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right you can ignore gravity a few times, but if

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you keep jumping from higher and higher heights, you're definitely

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going to hurt yourself. Yes, but so much of what

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we do is personal, it's relational, it's subjective. There are laws,

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but we all know that there's the black and white

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of the law, the letter of the law, and of

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the law. Right, helping next generation leaders really understand be

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an important truth teller and truth seeker and truth the

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community standing on truth in this age of fake news.

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And AI slop.

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Yeah, Lacker, I think it's going to be a key

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success factor.

753
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:22.480
Yeah, it's absolutely vital, absolutely vital. Well, David, thank you

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for coming.

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On the show.

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We really had one today.

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Yeah, and I want to thank you about let's do

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it again. I'll have you back on generating. Thanks, great conversation.

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Thank you so much for the opportunity to serve your audience.

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All right, and thank you for tuning in an A

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