Oct. 27, 2025

Connecting the Disconnected

Connecting the Disconnected
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Season 1

Are you struggling -- or you know someone who is? You want to get help, but there are no places to turn in your community, and you don't want anyone to know you have a problem. Did you know that only 10% of addicts seek treatment? The other 90% of addicts are stuck, feeling as if there are no options. Society has become ill and when we have sick family members, we get help for them. We are all members of the human family, and we need to learn the tools available to make our family whole again.

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Hello and thank you for tuning in to a Sharp

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Outlook on K four HD Radio and Talk or TV.

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I am Angela Sharp, your host. Our arm chair discussions

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with industry experts will give you the steps, tools and

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information to be successful in business and to prepare you

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to be your best self.

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Hello and welcome to a Sharp Outlook. I'm Angela Sharp,

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and today we want to talk about pretty much the

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state that the country, the world is in right now,

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and we want to start helping those that are hurting

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to connect. We need to start connecting the disconnected. Are

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you struggling or you know someone who is. You want

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to get help, but there are no places to turn

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in your community and you don't want anyone to know

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you have a problem. Did you know that only ten

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percent of addicts seek treatment the other ninety percent of

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addicts are stuck feeling as if they have no options.

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One in five individuals suffer from mental illness and it

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is and it is the number two cause of disability

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in the country. Suicide is the tenth leading cause of

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death in the US. One in three adolescents students have

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been bullied. One in five teens have witnessed online bullying.

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Forty seven percent of parents report a child victim of bullying,

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and forty percent of people experiencing bullying on a weekly

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basis in the workplace. Our society has become ill. And

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when we have the sick family, what do we normally

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do We get them some help. We don't watch our

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family suffer and not reach out to try to help.

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We try to get help for our families because we

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are all members of the human family and we need

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to learn about the various tools available to make our

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family whole again. Unlike other treatment approaches, Red Path, which

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we're going to discuss today, doesn't give you the tools

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to safely revisit your traumas. Their holistic program draws your

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attention to the effects that are having on your life today.

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They understand that you are the only person who can

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own your trauma and it is part of your life

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story and you alone carry it with you. Through the

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Red Path process, anyone can come to terms with their

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past and work towards building a brighter future. Through online

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peer supports, self directed exercises, and visual graphic aids. We

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give you the tools you need to help you find

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your own way out, to help you build a new

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life free from the traumas of the past. My guest

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today is Peggy Shaughnessy, and across the substance abuse misuse

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continues to be a growing concern. There is a need

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for an alternative approach to substance abuse treatment and aftercare.

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Well that's where Peggy Shaughnessy comes in. She has developed

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a program that is offering skills to address underlying problems

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associated with addictive behaviors. Peggy is the founder of White

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Path Consulting and the developer of the Red Path programs.

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She has worked extensively with the Correctional Service of Canada

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to educate staff and management on Indigenous issues, to provide

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needs assessments for Aboriginal men and women offenders, and has

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developed programs to assist people in their life struggles. Her

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programs deal with issues relating to addiction, domestic abuse, bullying

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and empowerment. Since two thousand and four, the Red Path

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Treatment Program has been changing lives and communities in Canada

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by focusing on trauma that lies at the heart of

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an addiction and helping people educate themselves about the reasons

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they are struggling on the ground. The program has achieved

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remarkable results and for many, especially people living in remote

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areas where addiction and abuse often is unnoticed, it became

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clear that a different approach was needed and Shaughnessy is

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an author of a new book contributed for Writings, manuscripts,

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and journals. She is known as the Emotions Warrior in

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her passionate struggle to transform healing and wellness programs for

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those struggling in the life journey. Peggy currently holds her

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honors Bachelor of Science and master's degree and recently received

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her PhD. She harbors a profound belief in the power

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of connecting the disconnected through Aboriginal knowledge and worldview. I

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would like to ask Peggy to join me so we

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can talk about Red Path and how we can help

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our sick family members.

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Hi, Peggy, good morning. How are you this morning.

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I'm great looking forward to sharing this information so that

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someone that knows someone that's hurting, or even someone that's

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listening that is struggling right now can seek help and

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to get healthy and to get whole and to be

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able to live, you know, discover how they can start

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building a life of happiness and contentment and wellness. Can

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you elaborate on the Red Path program?

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So I developed the Red Path Program as a result

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of working in federal prisons and seeing that, you know,

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these men that I worked with was mainly men, were

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really suffering.

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And so there was an elder named Old George that

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at one time worked in the person he's passed on now,

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and he used to tell us the story all the

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time that we had four rooms. We had the physical room,

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the emotional room, in the psychological room, in the spiritual room,

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and if we didn't visit each one every day, we'd

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never be in harmony. And you know it's funny. We'd

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hear this story over and over until finally it hit

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me that most people can't even open the doors in

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those rooms. So that took me to the table to

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create what I consider the four room theory and sort

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of the model of the Red Path programs where you know,

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in the physical room is where we hold our trauma

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in all those things that like we've gone through in

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our life, those events that have caused us hassles in

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our life. Maybe not the right word, but let's say

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hassles in our life. And then in the emotion room,

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the emotions that are attached to those events. And in

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the physical room, really what are the questions the unanswered

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questions that really don't have an answer, you know, like,

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for instance, why did that happen to me? You know?

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Why am I stupid? Why am I not good enough?

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Like all of those questions that we that really have

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no answer. And then in the spiritual room, what do

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we usually do as an outcome? Do we you know,

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use do we cut ourselves? What do we do as

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an outcome of all those things? And I tell my

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clients all the time and the people going through the program,

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I can undo your events. They happen to you, they're

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part of your life, but I can work with you

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on the impacts that they've done on your life. And

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I think that's sort of where what we do here

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in our center is different, because we're looking at the impacts.

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We don't get them to keep repeating the same story

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over and over and then it just is the story

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of their whole life. How does somebody do the coherent

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whole of their life their whole life story rather than

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a piece of it. And so we get them unepacked

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things throughout the process of the program and in using

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that four rooms and that eventually you use those four

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rooms to unpack it. But then once you've unpacked it

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and you are in your daily life, you can if

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you've had a real bad day today, you can say, oh,

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my boss was the jerk? You know, what was the

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emotions tied? What was my thinking? And what am I

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going to do? I'm going to use the four rooms

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as a tool. So what started out sort of as

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a model became the main tool of the program then

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where you teach people how to unpack what they're carrying

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through a slow process, and then how can I use

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it them once I've unpacked so that I don't keep

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keeping things inside any longer. So what became a theory

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became the main tool within the program itself.

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Wow, that sounds wonderful because it makes you acknowledge all

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the areas that are being effective by an event that

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happened that you keep repeating, you keep reliving, because you

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keep retelling the story so many times you become that

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story over and over and over instead of, like you say,

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going through those rooms and you know, setting free. But

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it's probably pretty scary to open those doors. Yeah it is,

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And a.

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Lot of times they're so locked up it takes a

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while to even get the lock off them in order

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to open them, right, And and so that sometimes sometimes

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people go through our programs more than once. You know

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that it's like that onion, you know, you start at

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the skin and then you keep unraveling it or and

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and people tend to go not always, but go through

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it more than once, just because going through the process

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and the support as well. Right So, because often once

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somebody stops listening to your story, often that's when people

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will go back to their old habits. So you know,

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I can tell my story over and over again, and

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then nobody is there to listen anymore, So what good

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is that story? And so that's what I think some programs,

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perhaps some people fall through the cracks as a result

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of that of not really coming to the end understanding

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on why I was doing that. In the first place.

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It's always looking at the why rather than the behavior itself. Right.

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I used to go to the alcohol drug treatment centers

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here in the state of Washington on a weekly basis,

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just counseling and you know, with those clients that were

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there and hearing their stories and and just you know,

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just listening to some of the things that had happened

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in their lives and you know how they're going to

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try to, you know, get past that. I tried to

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deal with it from a spiritual basis, you know, bring

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them to that spiritual door. You're you are valuable, you

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are enough, you are worthy, you are special, you are gifted,

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you know, just trying to give them to think about

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something other than the trauma. And then the drugs brought

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on trauma too, And the addiction is a lot harder

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to stop than most people think. You think it's like, oh,

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you know, over eating, you just stop eating something. But

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it's a little more difficult, it seems, because, yeah, the

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the the chance of them healing is quite a fight.

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You've also done work in the prison system to bring

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healing to incarcerated individuals. You know, what was your treatment

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like dealing with those that really feel extended hopelessness.

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Well, so that's where my passion lies is working with

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the hardest of the hardest. I guess I piloted the

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Red Path program in in a maximum prison and a

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medium institution with high risk populations mainly and in mainly

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indigenous populations at that time. I've sort of expanded since that.

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But and so I think that everyone has the right

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to heal. I think everyone does, and for these men

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to make a lot of them more lifers, so they

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might not get out for twenty five years, but they

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still had to live their daily life. And I look

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at I wasn't just happy helping the men that I

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was putting through the program, but making it a little

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bit safer for those that were guarding them as well.

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And so if you could keep the prison at less tension,

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that there would be less opportunity, I guess you could

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say for a riot or something within it. For instance,

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one person I was sitting in there was fifty three

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stabbings in fifty one days. They sent me in to

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interview the men there to see if we could get

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some calmness in the person. And so that's sort of

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how Redpath was developed, was through the prison they didn't

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have programming that could help people. And I'm a researcher

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at the university, so we did a research component to

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it to look at, you know, the different scales and

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that's where I developed what I call the AAI and

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that's one hundred and two questions where we can we

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use the four rooms sort of it. The numbers fit

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into those rooms and we look at optimism like different anxieties,

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you know, performance anxiety, like how will people do in

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social anxiety? How well will that person do in a

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group setting? And where what area that they probably need

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the most work kids. So those scales came out of

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the prison as well, because in Canada we have quite

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a few prisons, so I was able to do, like

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on the reliability in the validity component of that scale,

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collect the data from all federal persons in Canada. So

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I have this database so somebody couldn't just say, well

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they were the worst of the worst that you did

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that the pilot with. So that's where our programs that

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we use here came out of, is that that sort

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of pilot programs within the federal persons. And then it

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took me to Guam. I trained some tomorrow people in

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Guam on our programs there as well. So they read

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a book that a chapter of my work was in

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and they asked me to come. So I been to Guam.

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It's a really awesome place. And and so I don't

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know they were hoping to use it the prisons there

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as well. I don't know if they ever had the

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chance to.

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They were mainly men prisons. And then this is difficult

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for me. I was assaulted and have my own trauma

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that I needed to deal with, and I was advised

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to actually go back to the prison. I said, I

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can't look at those people. Yeah, And then I did

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go back and I shared with them what had happened

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to me, and one by one, different ones stood up

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and said, I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm sorry

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that I did that to someone else. And I mean

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the whole room was crying by the time they all finished,

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and it helped me break through the door and heal.

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I just I just needed to hear that I'm sorry,

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and I think they needed to say I'm sorry. And

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it was sure, it was just an amazing moment. I

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don't you know, but I understand what you're saying, I

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really do. Why do you feel Indigenous spirituality was so

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crucial in assisting in, you know, those that were incarcerated.

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Well, I've always been an advocate and I've always he's

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been a fighter. I came from poverty, and you know,

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I've had my own issues with abuses and that as well.

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And you know, you often wonder why you go into persons,

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and one of the reasons I went into the federal

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persons in Canada was, you know, it wasn't until nineteen

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eighty five that Indigenous offenders who are allowed their first

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sweat inside the person. You know, we've had Muslim leaders

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that were able to go into Kingston Penitentiary as early

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as eighteen ninety nine, and Indigenous populations in Canada weren't

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allowed to have their first sweat, which is a very

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sacred thing, in nineteen eighty five. And so to practice

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spirituality inside a person in Canada still as difficult, and

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I think that's sort of what took me into the person.

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I was a student, my undergraduate I went in through

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the Indigenous Studies department at Trent University and to visit

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the Brotherhood and saw that they didn't have a voice,

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and so I saw the strength of the sweat lodge

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when I'd be there to help with that so that

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they could have it, and I saw the strength that

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that gave them, and so I knew that, you know, my,

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when I started my business, it was to help men

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coming out of person and so I named it White

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Paths Consulting because in Cherokee, when you translated, it means contentment,

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happy trails, and that to give these men, and so

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I wanted, like, like you said, my, my, it's always

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been connecting the disconnected, and I know that that's what

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really when these men were able to find their their

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indigenous spirituality for some for the first time inside a

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prison wall and they felt connected, I knew that, you know,

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that had to be part of of the healing processes,

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connecting the disconnected through that. Like you see that in language,

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you know, and the indigenous language is nothing like the

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English language. If you look at the Irish language, it's

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the same. You know in Ireland that will fight that

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a country with out a language is a country without

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a soul, and I think that is so true here

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in Canada as well, for indigenous populations across the country.

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That language is the most important. So it is that connection.

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Yeah, it really truly is. And you know, I know

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some people have gone to the boarding schools, the residential

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schools years ago and taking away their language and their

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culture and things like that. It was like taking a

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part of who they are away and losing that connection

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to you know, your historical past. Is it leaves you

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wandering around, don't know where you belong, and it does.

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It is really important for them to be connected. Those

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sweats are powerful. I know at the treatment centers up here,

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they would they allowed them to have the sweats and

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it really helped them to you know, get stronger, get

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their identity, get that strength from you know, the singing

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and the drumming and the prayers, and so it was, Yeah,

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it's really really important to do that. What are some

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of the techniques that can change trauma and institutional life

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and move it from brokenness towards transformation and healing.

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Well, I think first is a lot of people have

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lost their connection with their family, with the people that

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love them, and I think it's that sense of belonging

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and I think that that hug we always I used

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to get into trouble in the prisons, the wardens would say,

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you can't touch those men, and I'd say, well, then

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kick me out, because I'm giving them a hug before

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I leave, sort of thing, right, And it's that human connection.

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And you know, there's people that come to our center

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that I tell them I love them because my heart

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really does. And is that professional? Probably not, but oh well,

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that's why it's my own center. And so I think

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that that's the start. But a clan mother once told

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me that we should teach people things four different ways

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and then everybody will leave knowing something. And so in

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our programs, we use storytelling, we use pictures, we use

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different exercises, so they have to do group work. Who

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takes over that leadership that usually sometimes is the most

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quiet person. So we try to do things still in

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a way that it goes from one session to the next,

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but that there is so many different ways to do

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it that you know that everybody's leaving unpacking something. And

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so I think that that human connection and that that authenticity.

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I guess that's what people usually thank me for, is

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my authenticity. Sometimes it's not really good words that I say,

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but they might not be in the dictionary. Some of

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them that I say, But I think that's the main thing.

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I have a few people that have come right from

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the hospital, but you know, they attempted suicide, and you know,

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I make some of them text me twice a day

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and might I just might have to press it and

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send a heart back that I read it, but they

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know somebody else on the other side read it. Yeah,

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So you know, you wouldn't want like five hundred people

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doing that every day. For you, it's nice to go

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home and sort of relax. I do pottery on the side,

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so I like to unwine some days. But I think

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just to know that there's somebody that cares mm that

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just that connection, just that little heart.

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Yeah, it means somebody, somebody noticed me. Somebody knows I'm alive,

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somebody recognized that I exist. I mean that's just so important.

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When you're isolated and there's no one reaching out or

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coming into contact with you, well, I just can't even

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imagine that kind of loneliness. That's torture within itself. Own

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some of the other things, you know, going to the

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corrections facilities, are there tools for the staff and management

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so that you know they can maybe be more helpful

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in the prison systems.

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So over the years, you know, Canada, you know, are

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forced to maybe not forces in the word that to

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hire a percentage of different racial people, like and so

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for indigenous populations, they have hired some indigenous people. Often

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those are the very people that cause more trouble than

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the person before them. I don't know if they are

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trying to prove themselves or not. Also there's staff trainings

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where they have people come in to teach them. So

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over the years, it's been a few years now that

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I've gone in and discussed residential schools and hit treaties

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and historical things. But you know, a lot of times

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the staff, you know, there is high percentages of racism

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and discrimination. And so when you're forced to do something,

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when it's a mandatory thing, you know how how much

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listening is happening. Like I don't know if you can

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see here, but in my office, I have a big

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picture here of residential school.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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Just to remind people, you don't need a whole lot

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of discussions when you see that picture. Yeah yeah, So

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I mean, you know, hopefully a few people when you talk.

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I don't I think it's unfair to say none of

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them wanted to learn that. But you know, in Ontario,

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we pretend here that there's no racism and discrimination. When

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you go to the west and you go to the prisons,

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like in Winnipeg, sat Saskatchewan, in those provinces, it's in

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your face, like when they know you're coming to see

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and the indigenous population, they bring out the dogs. They

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you know, it might make you wait for two hours

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to get in to see the men. But in Ontario

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they pretend it isn't here. And sometimes I think it's

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easier when it's in your face. You see it coming well,

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swept under the rug. You never know when it's going

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to come up. You know.

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The most perplexing thing for me is I don't I mean,

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I can say that during all of my career, I've

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never been approached with racism. I don't know. Maybe it's

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that look where she's not the one, don't say anything

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to her. I'm not sure. Or maybe it's just you know,

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angels protecting me. But when you really think about it,

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and we are thinking about the fact that we have

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one creator and he created everything in the earth, and

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he even created the human beings in the earth, you

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can't be angry with me because I am of some

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different or have more melanin or something like that. We

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only have one race. It's the human race. We are

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one family, the human family. I don't care what other

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boxes you want to try to throw people in, you

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still come back to. We have one earth, we have

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one set of oceans and seas. We have, you know,

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one group of people, and they're all part of the

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same race. You know they you know, we might have

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different colors. I want to just tell you, if you've

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got an issue with that, why don't you go up

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to the holy heavens and go tell the Creator you

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hate what he created. God, I bet you we have

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a really deep conversation, and you're not gonna like the

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results of that conversation.

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Go check it out.

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I mean usually when next time you pray, go just

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shout out to him, I can't stand those other people

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you made, and then look up because lightning might be coming.

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And told me that it's not our job to judge. Yeah,

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it's the Creator when you get there, Yeah it will.

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It's even spelled out in all the books that they're reading,

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but they don't listen to that. And to have those

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kinds of emotions and feelings. I'm here to tell you

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will not be seeing that great golden city, but there

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will be some place for you, and you're not gonna

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like it. And is it worth? Is it worth eternal

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life in fire? I mean, think about that. I mean,

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it's such a ridiculous behavior. And I mean that too.

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I'm not calling your names. I'm telling you your behavior

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is ridiculous because you act as if we had a choice.

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So since we didn't, you need to talk to the

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one who made that choice and YouTube battle it out

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and work it out and have fun with that because

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you're not going to like the results at all, and

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there will be there will be judgment for it, and

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I don't think you're gonna enjoy that. But that's a

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whole another show.

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You have.

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You've even I mean you were talking about, you know,

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sharing all that information with them and about the boarding schools.

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But you even had an opportunity to testify at the Semen,

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the Senate Human Rights Committee about issues affecting an indigenous population,

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specifically those that are incarcerated. Is there any progress?

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So I was called as an expert witness with my background,

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with my work for many years to this Senate and

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they questioned me the Senate in regards to they were

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doing a study on incarceration, people being put in segregation

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and what I thought, and of course I'm going to

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talk about Red Pass in my programs. I don't know

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whatever came about from that report. It was a long,

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long study and I never really heard much from that.

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But I mean, we do have a good Senate. We

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have no several people that sit on the Senate, and

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I know that they're always fighting, but I mean, you

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look at government, it just seems to be government is

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policy and a lot of talking. Often you don't see

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much change from the talking to the reality often, which

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is the sad part when government really is about policy

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and and not.

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The not the working bees, you know, yeah so and

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getting them to actually do something. I tell you that

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it's another foreign emide because I have to pay I'm

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00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.240
not even I don't even have a choice. I have

469
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:17.400
to pay taxes to pay their salaries for them to

470
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.079
play games with people's lives and take away people's benefits

471
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.880
and allow people to be hungry and homeless and naked

472
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:33.920
and no heart, no empathy. I just don't understand that

473
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:38.039
kind of behavior. I mean, I just wonder I wish

474
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:40.720
I could have find someone who can tell me what's

475
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:45.240
wrong with that person's heart, that you can sit there

476
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:50.480
and watch people be homeless, or watch them be bullied,

477
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.599
or watch them have no food and get glee out

478
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.119
of that. I mean, that's talk about being sick. Now,

479
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:58.240
that's a sickness too.

480
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:01.119
But you know, well, I think what happens is there's

481
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.960
so many layers that everybody thinks the other layer is

482
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.759
going to do something. So you know, we elect people

483
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.480
that really aren't experts in any area that they're asked

484
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.079
to look at. And so what I've come to the

485
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.640
conclusion in all the years that I've thought sort of

486
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.240
that very system is I don't think I belong in

487
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.119
the system. And how do I leave that system and

488
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.880
walk outside the system? And how does community heal community?

489
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.160
Like if we think, after all the mess that we're in,

490
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:35.039
it didn't just happen overnight. It progressively happened where we're

491
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.200
already now in the world, in the world, not just

492
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.440
in our own little areas of our countries. This is

493
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:44.160
happening across the world. And so I think, as people

494
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.720
within the world, it's time that we step outside that

495
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:52.119
system and community, start healing community, just like it would

496
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:55.880
have been when my great great grandparents were working with

497
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.720
each farms or whatever in order to build their land

498
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.319
or whatever it was. I think it's up to us

499
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.480
now is to get on our feet and start community,

500
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.640
healing community, because we can't. If we keep being relyant

501
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:16.759
on a government, we're going to be even in worse mess. Yeah. Yeah,

502
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.319
So I think it's time to step outside the systems

503
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.440
because the systems aren't helping right.

504
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:29.519
And what's so interesting is me being an accountant and

505
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:33.680
also a tech person. You know, everything is within systems.

506
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:37.000
But one thing I can say, I started out when

507
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:41.599
when there wasn't even a personal computer around, and now

508
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.599
we have, you know, personal computers in our little phones

509
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.240
and watches and things like that. So I've watched the

510
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.279
progress going outside of the system. We could have said, oh,

511
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.640
you know, it's always going to be that way, but no,

512
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.000
someone said, no, we need to create a new system

513
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.400
and create a new system. Now we have AI trying

514
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.240
to create a new system. This is a revolution for

515
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.759
a whole new system. But why haven't we tried to

516
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.240
have a new system of how we treat one another?

517
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:17.200
I mean, that's so you're right. Community by community, we

518
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.880
have to get healthy, and each healthy community go help

519
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:25.880
the other sick communities become Well, that's connecting the disconnected,

520
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.160
because we need to get connected.

521
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.640
Yeah, because I think what's happening is like, there's a

522
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.160
few things, but one of the things, the things that

523
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.279
I hear that I just cringe, is well, every word's

524
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.200
like that, And I say, when are we going to

525
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.119
stop that rhetoric? And when are we going to start

526
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.279
saying everyone might be like that, but we're not going

527
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.039
to be like that anymore. Like I have eight grandchildren,

528
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.319
and if to the day I die, I will fight

529
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.279
to get this system or at least a foundation. So

530
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.400
like my grandson works for me, he's twenty two this year.

531
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:01.720
My daughter that works for me, And so I know

532
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:03.880
that if I should die tomorrow, which I hope I don't,

533
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:07.359
but if I should, that they can step in. They've

534
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.840
been trained enough that they can step into my shoes.

535
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:15.159
And I know for at least three generations it'll continue

536
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:18.119
after I die. And so my job and my my

537
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.400
time is to set that foundation. And how are we

538
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.719
going to move outside the system, and how are we

539
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.159
going to get people behind us in order to move

540
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.400
it forward and so that I look at you know,

541
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.840
that is my job that the creator set me to do,

542
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.920
and then it that I have to work there that

543
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.039
it can then continue because we've got to stop using

544
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.000
same Well everyone's like that, like, if this is how

545
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:43.599
bad it is now, what's it going to look like

546
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.000
in ten years if we don't spreak?

547
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:50.199
Right, Yeah, we have to and and that's what that's why,

548
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.079
you know, we have the elders who can identify, you know,

549
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:58.239
the mess that our generation might have created. Now it's

550
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.559
time to clean and clean the mas us up and

551
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:06.480
give them this generation in future generations a chance of

552
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:10.800
not only making money, that's all they think about, but

553
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:17.360
living in harmony, living in peace, respecting one another, regardless

554
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.760
of who the person is, respecting one another. Even if

555
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:25.000
they've been incarcerated. They made a decision that they had

556
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.639
to go behind bars for a period of time, but

557
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:32.360
they're still human. Now it's a matter of okay, brother, okay, sister,

558
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.880
you're now home. Let's see what we can do to

559
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.840
help you get your life to the point where you

560
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:43.119
can start living your dreams. You can start, you know,

561
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:50.360
fulfilling some of your hopes instead of pointing fingers. So

562
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:55.440
it's just well, well, I want to talk about you

563
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:02.639
were inducted in the Peterborough Pathway Way of Fame this year.

564
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:04.199
How'd that feel.

565
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.559
Well, just to explain what it is is these big

566
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.800
stones that go into the ground in one of our

567
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.719
areas that there's music fest and all that outdoors. So

568
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.280
your name get herded into this pathway. And so when

569
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.360
I first found out, I thought, oh, somebody can pee

570
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.320
on me now on that pathway. That was the first thing.

571
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.199
I've been nominated so many times. I used to have

572
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.480
a restaurant, and I've done a lot of businesses within

573
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.760
the city, and I've been nominated for business Women of

574
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.199
the Year, and it got to the point where I thought,

575
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.840
even if I was the only person that was nominated,

576
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.920
I'd probably still not win. So it was quite a

577
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:46.000
surprise because I was nominated for both the Barphill Humanitarian

578
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.199
Award and the Samaritan Award, so I won the top

579
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.559
award at it. There was eight people that were inducted,

580
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.960
and so yeah, it was really nice because somebody that

581
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.039
nominated me with somebody I'm not even really close to.

582
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.599
So it just shows you there are people that are

583
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.840
watching you within your community. I've been fighting and working

584
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.239
hard for the less fortunate my city for twenty years,

585
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.760
so you know, it's sort of nice coming to the

586
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.239
end of my well, I don't I'm sixty seven, so

587
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:20.559
not quite near the end of my life, I hope,

588
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.800
but you know, as you as you, as you're growing older,

589
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.360
it's sort of nice to see that recognition. So and

590
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.440
it was a lovely evening, the induction and stuff like that.

591
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:31.519
So yeah, it was it was an honor.

592
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:36.679
Oh yeah. I mean being heard is such a gratifying experience.

593
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.960
I mean, we go out here, we work, we do

594
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:43.320
different things, but we're not sure that people are really listening,

595
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:48.000
have really heard us. And just to know that you're

596
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.000
being heard, I mean, that's got to feel pretty good.

597
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.920
They heard you, they heard you.

598
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.360
It's interesting the amount of people that come forward and say,

599
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.119
like you know that you don't really even know, saying, oh,

600
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.440
you've done this, this and this, and you know it.

601
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:05.760
Then you think, well, maybe it's worth it because you're

602
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:07.639
not doing it for yourself anyhow. You're doing it for

603
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.199
the people that you're walking beside. And I think that

604
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.239
you know, it brings their stories to the forefront. Two

605
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.320
because in September they did a documentary on me, and

606
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.079
so about two hundred and fifty people. So that was

607
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.840
September seventh, which was my birthday. We had about two

608
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.320
hundred and fifty people come out to watch that, and

609
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:27.800
then two days later was the Pathway of Fame. And

610
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.079
then right to October tenth, I defended my PhD. So

611
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.039
it's been really an overwhelming month. And then today we're

612
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.079
having all our city councilors come through our new building

613
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.639
that we're in right now, so while we're speaking, they're

614
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:45.519
going through, so like a lot of things are happening.

615
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:48.119
And then we're hoping to build a wellness center in

616
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:52.119
the spring in another area not within the city, so

617
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.679
a lot's really happening. So like all of the fights,

618
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.639
and so just anybody listening, don't ever give up on

619
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:03.239
your It might sometimes you might get tired and you

620
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.800
just wonder if it's worth it at the end of

621
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:08.159
the day. Like I've been doing this twenty years, I

622
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:11.239
just wonder what the hell, Like I quit nursing twenty

623
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.679
years ago, twenty five years ago, so I would continue

624
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.840
this journey. And you know, is it always been easy?

625
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.400
Not at all? But I think that looking back now,

626
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.840
each step gave me something new to move to the

627
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.159
next step. And if I hadn't, like you know, it

628
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.039
took me ten years to do my doctorate, but I

629
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.159
wouldn't have been able to write what I wrote six

630
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.840
years ago. So it took that long because it needed

631
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.559
to take that long so that I gained more knowledge

632
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.920
and more information in order to write what was more relevant.

633
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.880
And so I think that for all of us in

634
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.159
the human race, we all have to take steps to

635
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.239
get I think to for a society that's going to

636
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:53.760
be healed.

637
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.320
Well, I'll tell you, going out helping someone else is

638
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:04.800
probably the most gratifying thing I've ever done in my life.

639
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:10.519
To know just that time that I spent, that time

640
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:17.679
that I gave, that time that I shared changed people's lives.

641
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:23.880
You know, I can't find any vacation or trip that

642
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.719
makes me feel better. Then I know that just some

643
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:35.000
words or some time or whatever has changed someone's direction

644
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.679
and now they are succeeding, and now they are well,

645
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:46.679
and now they have hope. That's really really important. And gosh,

646
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.679
and you were talking about the documentary film, is it

647
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.199
available for someone for us to see?

648
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.280
So I'll let you know when, but I know that

649
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.719
the film, the documentary film maker, he's entered it into

650
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.920
a contest. Because it's been entered in there, she can't

651
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:07.519
put it up onto YouTube or anything yet, but when

652
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.639
it is or I might be able to just share

653
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:13.400
it with you, lease see it, but I can't put

654
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.559
it out onto YouTube or anything yet until we know

655
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.400
if it's been accepted into a film festival or whatever

656
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:21.480
she wanted to enter it in.

657
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.880
Okay, great, Okay your why Path Counseling Consulting provides training

658
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:34.639
for Red Path programs and facilitators. How does someone sign

659
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.880
up for this valuable training?

660
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:41.800
So right now, we've been training all across Canada. We've

661
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.239
been really really busy doing that. I have two staff

662
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:48.239
that travel. We also do it online as well. We've

663
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.320
never done it into the States, and it's something that

664
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:55.000
I've always really wanted to do. It's a three day training.

665
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.360
Like I said, we can do it online. If anyone's interested,

666
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.159
please feel free to so call us. I'll give you

667
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:09.639
the number to call, and we trained people. It's a

668
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.159
manual in it also, you're given the AAI and you

669
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.400
get people to fill that out and we do the

670
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.440
analysis on that. So a lot, and we train people

671
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.679
on how to use that scale as well, and you

672
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:26.280
become a license facilitator to run it and then you

673
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.199
have a manual to run a twenty session program in

674
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:30.239
your own communities.

675
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:36.320
Yeah, well, I you know, I know it's something very

676
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:41.480
very very much needed here in the States. And so, yeah,

677
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.039
them being able to reach out to be able to

678
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.719
take those trainings, and you know, I've done a lot

679
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:55.519
of trainings for different types of knowledge we were trying

680
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:59.920
to do and training the trainer or facilitators and having

681
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:05.239
them go out you know, it's a great way of

682
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:09.920
getting that knowledge and getting that wellness out there where

683
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.599
people can actually become a whole. So, yeah, if you'll

684
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:19.280
share that, if there's if there's any uh, real rich

685
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.840
people watching this, I want to partner to open a

686
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.880
Red Path wellness center in the States.

687
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.679
I'm really happy to do that as well.

688
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.239
Yeah, what's your info?

689
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:34.719
What's your It's Peggy at Redpath dot Io, okay, and

690
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:40.960
seven O five seven four zero two zero zero three

691
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:42.519
is our office number.

692
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:51.440
Okay, great, that's really really important. And so what what

693
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:56.000
kind of explained to me what is the importance of

694
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.480
connecting the disconnected.

695
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.519
Well I say, think that it doesn't take a whole

696
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.480
lot to look across our own countries right now, and

697
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:10.119
we are truly living in a disconnect and so to

698
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:14.920
connect people back to living to be the authors of

699
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.360
their own story. Like like we've always said, we have

700
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:23.519
a video out there, a YouTube video, red past Social

701
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.679
network or red past, Like it's a whiteboard video. I

702
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:29.639
don't know if you've ever seen it. It sort of

703
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:33.639
talks like going through that. You see, how if we're

704
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:37.360
able to live in in harmony, we're going to be connected.

705
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:41.719
And so that's really an important thing. And I think

706
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:46.159
that when we see people starting to connect with themselves,

707
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.079
we see that glow again. And you know, as a nurse,

708
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.800
I remember, you know, it's it's not hard to look

709
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:54.960
at somebody and know that they're going to have Alzheimer's

710
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.119
because they have that empty, empty look in their eyes.

711
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.960
You look in their eyes and you can't see their

712
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.960
soul almost anymore. Right, It's this emptiness. And and I

713
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see that with a lot of people with coming through

714
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.440
my door that are in a really bad state with

715
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.360
addiction in particular, and there's that emptiness there too. And

716
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I think that once you can get somebody connected back

717
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.480
to maybe their soul. I'm not sure what they're connecting to.

718
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.280
You see that twinkle back in their eye, and so

719
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:26.840
I think it's a very easy thing to see. And

720
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.159
we see that once we when they start seeing a blow,

721
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.719
the people around them want to get better as well.

722
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.239
And so next thing, you know, they're bringing a friend

723
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.800
here because their friend sees them glowing and they want

724
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.599
to be like that. Right when all as we're doing

725
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:47.519
is handing out pipes and needles and and that's our solution.

726
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:49.199
We're in trouble.

727
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.119
Yeah, yeah, well see, And that's that's the one thing

728
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:59.639
about the whole so called healing planned. You know, everything,

729
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.679
is you start getting federal dollars or any kind of

730
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.519
government dollars, they're not really even looking at the goal

731
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:11.760
of making people whole is how many units did you see?

732
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.440
You know, it's all about the stats. It's not about

733
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:20.880
the success of these people becoming you know, viable citizens,

734
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:26.760
becoming healthy, becoming dreamers, becoming people with purpose. They don't

735
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.239
even care. It's like, okay, how many units. So then

736
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.440
everybody's forced to just see as many people as possible,

737
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.159
but maybe not be able to spend the time to

738
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.320
get them all the way through the program. So, I mean,

739
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.239
when we talk about changing systems, there's a lot of

740
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.880
systems we need to look at what is our goal.

741
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.039
If our goal is to actually help those people to

742
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.519
be on their feet, to have a dream, to have

743
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:59.599
a purpose, to become whole, become connected to society and community,

744
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.400
then you just can't run them through. You know, a

745
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:06.079
couple couple of days talks and everything's okay, and no

746
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.400
follow ups and things. It takes some time, and they

747
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:12.800
don't want to spend the money for the success. They

748
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.920
just want to say, Okay, this is what we do

749
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.000
with the money. We saw two hundred people, We saw

750
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.719
five hundred people. But then of the five hundred, how

751
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.880
many people have succeeded? Oh okay, well the percentage was

752
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.960
two percent. So do you think there's something wrong with

753
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:29.679
the program?

754
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.679
But one of the biggest problems is so I they

755
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:37.760
can blame the addict. So I give you five million

756
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.119
dollars and I say, but Angela, the problem I look

757
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.599
outside is still the same. And you say, well, they

758
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.280
don't want to quit. Like when you have a vulnerable population,

759
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.400
you can put the blame back on them. Yeah, you can.

760
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:57.119
You don't have to take any responsibility. But you've done

761
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.440
with that money, right, and nobody's at because I can

762
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:06.480
blame you. And so that's where the biggest problem is,

763
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.039
especially when you're looking at funding and money. Everybody's running

764
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.079
after the same money and everybody as long as you

765
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:17.400
got all the right words in that you know, proposal,

766
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:23.599
but nobody's questioning you because you can blame that person

767
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:27.440
because they they're weak. You know, it has nothing to

768
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:32.000
do with what you're not doing. The lens needs to

769
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.119
go maybe on some of these organizations on really what

770
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.679
are you doing? There's not enough watchdogs mm hmm.

771
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.079
But but the thing is, like I said, if they

772
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:48.639
would actually change the narrative in the program itself or

773
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.440
the funding you know, of the funds that they're giving

774
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:56.400
out and so that it you know, you're actually wanting

775
00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:01.320
to succeed, then we would have more people that are

776
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:06.119
are connecting that and not falling through the cracks and

777
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.559
things like that. Like I said, there's a whole there's

778
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.239
a whole bunch of systems that need to be put together.

779
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.519
Well, if you if you told me that, if I

780
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:18.599
showed you success, I get a million extra dollars. Yeah,

781
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.880
then then you're going to see a change, but you're

782
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.719
going to see if I got money because I showed

783
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:29.000
the greatest success of all the organizations. All the organizations

784
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:30.519
are going to pull up their socks a little bit

785
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:31.840
higher than they were.

786
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.760
The Oh, that is a great idea. That's definitely a

787
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.880
great idea for all of those who are actually ones

788
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:43.159
that are funders. Let's let's let's look at what you're

789
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.239
doing and kind of modify that a little bit so

790
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.880
that we have a huge success rate. Peggy, thank you

791
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.960
so much for being here this morning. I really enjoyed

792
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:56.360
this conversation. I know our audience has learned a lot,

793
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:02.440
and I'm hoping to see Red Path Services popping a

794
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:10.599
ball ower the US because yeah, well I'm just getting

795
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:13.360
these people whole is the best thing possible.

796
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:16.400
Thank you so much for being here.

797
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You too, and thank you for watching A Sharp Outlook

798
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