Nov. 10, 2025

Healthy Waters

Healthy Waters
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Season 1

Let's dive deep into the complex world of ocean policy, exploring the key challenges, the emerging opportunities, and what it takes to create effective and sustainable solutions for our oceans. Oceans cover 70% of the Earth and are vital for climate regulation, biodiversity, and human livelihoods. Climate change ocean acidification, warming, overfishing, plastic, chemicals, habitats destroyed are threats to health of ocean waters. Policy is essential for sustainable management, and conservation.

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Hello and thank you for tuning in to A Sharp

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Outlook on pay for HD radio and Talk or TV.

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I am Angela Sharp, your host. Our arm chair discussions

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with industry experts will give you the steps, tools and

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information to be successful in business and to prepare you

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to be your best self. Hello and welcome back to

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A Sharp Outlook Today. Our podcast is dedicated to exploring

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the critical issues being we're facing with our oceans and

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the innovative solutions being developed to protect them. I'm your host,

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Angelas Sharp, and today we'll be diving deep into the

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complex world of ocean policy, exploring the key challenges and

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emerging opportunities, and what it takes to create effective and

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sustainable solutions for our oceans. Our oceans cover seventy percent

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of the Earth and are vital for climate regulation, biodiversity

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and human livelihoods. Climate change such as ocean acidification and warming, overfishing, pollution,

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plastics and chemical habitats destruction are threats to the health

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of our ocean waters. Policy is essential for sustainable management, conservation,

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and equitable access to ocean resources. It highlights interconnectedness of

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ocean health and human well being. Why ocean policy matters?

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How can we overcome the challenges to effective international cooperation

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on ocean policy. Many ocean issues are trans boundary and

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require coordinated actions, such as UN Convention on the Law

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of the Sea provides a framework for cooperation. Differing national interests,

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lack of enforcement mechanisms geopolitical tensions have an impact, but

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strengthening existing agreements, creating new partnerships, sharing best practices, and

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understanding the importance of multilateralism and diplomacy in addressing ocean

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challenges is important. Today we have a very special guest

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us joining us, Stuart Sarcosy Bonyxy. He's here to talk

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to us about this wonderful, wonderful topic of how we

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can have healthy waters and protect our oceans. Stuart is

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the co founder of Octopus and ceo AI for World

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Ocean Council. He is Ocean Fellow at the Citter Center

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of Ocean Policy and Economics at Northeast Maritime Institute and

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mentor for Sea Ahead Blue Swell. Stuart has global Director

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Policy and Investments as Resilient Cities Network and was founder

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of for Bands Community Fund. In other words, Stuart is

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a leading expert in ocean policy with extensive experience in

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areas of management and being able to just get cooperation

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and collaboration in international ocean and governance, sustain fisheries, marine

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protected areas, and climate change impacts on oceans, as well

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as the urban and coastal intersections that are so important.

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He's worked with governments, NGOs, international bodies such as the

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Ocean Council, and presently with startups and corporations. Stewart, Welcome

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to the show.

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Thanks very much, Angel, It's great to be here.

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Well, it's great to have you here. You know, every

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day I see the problems that are going on with

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our oceans and the pollutions and the plastics and the

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destruction of the you know, the coral reefs and things

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like that, and I thought, we've got to get informed,

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We've got to do something about it. We've got to

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lift our voices and make some changes. And you get

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enough people screaming about it, we can get some action.

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We can get something to happen. We can make something happen.

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That's why I was like, we're going to have this topic. Well,

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before we get into specifics, can you paint a picture

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for our listeners of why ocean policy is so critical

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right now?

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Sure, And I think it comes from two different directions.

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For me, on the one hand, it is rising in

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its interest and popularity in the sense that people are

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starting to notice a little bit of the kind of

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threats that come from not taking care of what we

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should be taken care of for some time. But I

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think also from my and our point of view and

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the work that we do, it's an ocean planet. As

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you said, it's seventy percent of the ocean, it's sixty

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to seventy percent of us. We are water. We are

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salt water. And so for both the tensions and passions

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and frustrations, demands and effort we have to make, mixed

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with also the sort of place we are as an

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ocean planet, in combination direct us towards something that is

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much more applicable now as we start to see some

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of the negative cascading effects from various problems or various

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shocks and stresses. So for me, on the one hand,

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it's passion because I've been a long, a lifelong ocean

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and water lever and engage with it. But at the

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same time, it also comes from the fact that I

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personally began to get more and more worried and have

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more frustration. So an ocean policy really is a planetary policy,

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and I think that's part of back to what you said.

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To some extent, people don't understand the role of the ocean,

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the role of the ocean in the hydrological cycle that

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makes our planet possible. Our breath, every other breath is

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because of the ocean, the way that our system works,

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and I think that's in some ways it's understandable people

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don't pay attention to the full kind of ecosystem. And

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I mean that in the sense of like the systemic

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connectivity yeah of the planet. Right, So an ocean policy

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is a planetary policy.

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You know. I mean, when you think about it, we

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take advantage of some of the things that we have

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the pleasures of using until we can't use it anymore,

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and The thing is, if we were caring for it,

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it would go on for generations and generations. But I'm

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concerned about the generations ahead. What are the biggest threats

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facing our oceans and why do we need robust policies

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to address them.

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I think in some of this we hear a little

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more regularly, even if you're not really an ocean advocate

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or follower. And that comes back to what you said

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about us sort of abusing. And there's just this kind

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of general sense that the ocean is so vast, right,

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one giant ocean that covers the planet, and it's all interconnected,

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that we can't do it harm. But that, as we've seen,

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is not true. So we've got coral bleaching because of warming, acidification,

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and current changes temperature changes that affect both the species

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and sort of general fisheries, but also ecotourism. And the

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latest news that starts to make the headlines a little

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bit is not the greatest when it comes to things

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like coral die off and the acidification and the warming.

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So and then of that of course relates to the

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warming that leads to greater storms with more moisture content.

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We saw what just happened in Jamaica there at this

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discussion point of whether we have to give hurricanes like

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that a six rather than a five and some unusual

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amount of convection and water moisture in the system that

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did what it did and the wind speed. So what's

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facing the oceans comes from us to some extent and

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then or exacerbated by us because there's also plastics and microplastics,

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and in our waterways the pfast chemicals that then end

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up in the ocean, algae blooms and dead zones and

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things like that from agriculture runoffs. So we have abused

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all of our systems. And that's not just in the

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water or the ocean. But I think what really is

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sort of a little out of sight, out of mind

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is the water and what's below water. And I think

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that's part of what this conversation is great for important

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for people to understand that if they live in Des Moines, Iowa,

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or they're in you know, the middle of the UK

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or in the dead center of Central Europe, things they

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do on a day to day basis have an effect

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on the ocean, whether it's plastics and recycling, or whether it's

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certain kinds of plastic materials purchases, they make things, they

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drink stuff that goes into the water.

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Mm hmm. Yeah. I even saw where you had an

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article out there where what is it the sunscreen? Having

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a water friendly sunscreen instead of some of these ones.

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And because of the chemicals are coming off of your

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body when you're getting into the water and it's killing

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the coral and affecting the marine light. I mean, you know,

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like I said, we take so many things for granted.

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We don't realize there's supposed to be custodians of the earth,

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not you know, just devour. You know, we need to

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be more conscious of what we really are doing because

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there are generations coming after us. Think about them. Think

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about the ones that are coming after us. You know,

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it doesn't hurt to read the bottle to see if

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it has damaging chemicals in it, put it on the shelf,

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and in fact even report it to the store. Stop

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selling this and pick the one that is going to

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be friendly to the water. I mean, that was so

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fascinating when I saw that. That's what me to say,

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we got to get this out. We have to get

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this out so that you know, we can you know,

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be able to have the waters therefore the next generations.

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What are key challenges in ocean policy?

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I think right now getting alignment from countries, from nation states,

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and in the case a lot of work that I

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do corporations and financiers and others on the same path.

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And there's a bunch of there's a bunch of negotiations

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and treaties. There's a whole slew people who are at

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the UNF Triple C. The Conference of Party is the

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COP in Brazil right now. I'm not there. It's rare

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that I'm not at one of those COP gatherings, and

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that's where some of these negotiations take place. But we're

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talking everything from the International Plastics Treaty which has stalled,

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to the High Seas Treaty, which they got enough signatures

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for come three weeks ago, which is a great, great advancement.

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Because part of the problem with the ocean as well is.

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That it's a commons, right, Gianic commons, other than up

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to certain zones, right, we all have to play nice,

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and not everybody does.

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So there's treaties like those. There's the negotiations that the

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International Maritime Organization two weeks ago halted or paused until

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next year, it's conversations around quotas and new fuels shipping,

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because that shipping, where we get most of our goods

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and where great pollution takes place, is all kind of

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tied together. So there are and plastics in the water

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and microplastics in our bodies. I mean, at this point,

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you can't eat a oyster and not have microplastics in it,

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I hate to say it. So we have real recovery

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activities we need to do where those challenges lie and

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where the treaties need to surround. But there's also sort

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of enforcement and financing to sort of write to do

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some of the precovery and recovery at the same time

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make sure that we're preventing what we can at this point,

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not to mention that if we don't close the gap

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in terms of temperature rise, I think it's one of

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those things where people think of it as just warming,

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and that's not actually what climate change is. Climate changes

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affects both deep cold spells, water and lack of water,

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and other kinds of activities. So what we're going to

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see is a bit more of a wackier set of

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symptoms from that fact, as opposed to just pure sort

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of global warming, and that's partially why the kind of naysayers,

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it gets confusing when people kind of are putting in

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an alternative narrative to it.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that, you know, with the fragmentation

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of governance and multiple agencies and international bodies and overlapping

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jurisdictions has a big effect on policy, for sure, I'm sure.

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But that's where we as citizens of these countries, in

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these areas, this is where we can help. We can

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stand up and start you know, marching about the waters

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and letting people know we're not voting if you're not

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you know, planning, you know, some kind of healthy water

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planning or something like that. We have a voice, and

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we can actually you know, have have minds change because

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we're out there making enough noise about it. Remember, we're

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going to need this water. This is a life or

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death situation. This is not just oh I want to

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go to the beach. This is why for death situation

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and we really you know, have to do about it.

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And and then the lack of what about the lack

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of law, you know, lack of enforcement and weak enforcement

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mechanisms and limited resources for monitoring and compliance. You know,

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how can you how can we help, you know, when

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these governments are so fractured.

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one country or another, but globally, country by country where

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the rules aren't pass and then enforced, whether it's a

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marine protected area or it's wetlands and water pollution, in

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water sourcing, or air quality for that matter, right, because

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in lots of places where there are air quality problems,

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you also have poisoned waters. So it really is a

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struggle if there isn't a good national mandate. I think

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corporations in cities and regional governments have much more of

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a role to play, and they've gotten a bit more

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used to doing so over the last say ten years,

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and part of that comes from the fact that there's

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been this disengagement by some national governments. True funding and

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policy and regulation breakdown, enforcement breakdown. But you know, having

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we talk about this a lot with marine protected areas,

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because marine protected areas are not as good as those

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that have enforcement and have funding behind them. The saying

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can be said with the environmental protection laws because in

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almost every country in the world there are still problems

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with things like combined sewer overflow, which causes discharge of

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sewage into actual water bodies. Right. Part of the problem

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also is that we're talking about groundwater depletionment, freshwater depletion,

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and the hydrological Society's cycle as a whole. So to

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your point, it's ocean, the contributing waterways fresh water, including

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in the United States the Great Lakes, which is twenty

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percent of the twenty percent of the fresh water. And

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you can imagine that saving that with as important as

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that is, becomes just as important, just as important as

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the ocean and all that it provides. And part of

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this gets down to things like do we have enough

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food to feed people, because it's a source of protein

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globally for billions of people, right, And not to mention

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that if we have water scarcity and that's groundwater, surface water,

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or everything in between, then you're getting into very expensive

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things like plants for desalinization just take a lot of

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power and also have discharge that has to be dealt with.

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So it's a little bit, like you said, going back

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to the basics and sort of making sure we don't

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damage what we have in the first place and recovering

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enough of the things that we've had. It is however,

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really important that we're monitoring and forcing, not just creating laws.

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And I think that's where the rub is right, You've

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got to have the funding to support that.

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microplastics personally. It has affected me and I, you know,

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I'm taking some medications to kind of repair some of

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the brain cells that are affected by microplastics, some of

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the nerves that are affected by microplastics. I mean, this

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is affecting our actual health. And that's that's also very

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important if we realize how much those microplastics and all

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of those pollutions that are in the water that we're

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just drinking every day, and it's even in the air,

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it's in the soil, I mean everything, And they get

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into the body and they clog up your your veins,

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they clog up the near nerves, blood system, and they're

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causing you know, memory loss, They're causing you know, your

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inability for your nerves to function well, and and and

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the the uh, the information from from the brain to

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the nerve not connected, and it's such just a lot

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of different things. And I thought to myself, what is

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how in the world did that happen to me? Every

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day that you eat, every day that you drink. Oh

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my goodness. So it's really important for us to really

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be serious about this. This isn't about some political thing

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or we're going to fight it because we don't want,

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you know, this particular party to win. So we're going

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to fight you know, clean water, and we're going to

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fight environmental things, and we're going to you know, instead

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of getting informed and understanding it's affecting you in your

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personal home every day, and it's you know, what can

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we do? How can we you know, I know it's

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a major hurdle. It's the lack of political commitment and

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prioritization of ocean issues. But like I said, we the

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people can can encourage that. What can we do first off,

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to stay informed and what can we do to you know,

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get this participation in order to energize participation?

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seen and I've been involved with some organizations, I mean,

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believe it or not. I mean there's tons of research

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that's going on right now about microplastics and microfibers and

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pfesta forever chemicals and all of them and their effect.

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Because there are definitely people who like yourself, have seen

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those effects. And at the same time it's so shocking

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when they crack open every you know, oyster or muscle

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and find microplastics or recent studies in Japan have found

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microplastics in clouds before the rainfall, which means of course

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that as it falls, it's coming down and going into

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the soil. So I think at this point evidentially without

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like knowing exactly the effects afterwards, it is indeed in us,

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in plants, in animals, in the soil and in the water.

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It's in the air and in the clouds, right, so

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there could kind of can be no denying about that.

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But that soup of all those things that are coming

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down and affecting us really need the kind of testing

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that good governance and good dollars and research institutions, whether

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it's whether it's you know, the European Union here where

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I'm sitting now or in the United States, and some

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of those funds have been have been cut, and so

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I think part of what's important for general public is

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you can make personal choices about things you buy and

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eat and what you wear and all kinds of things.

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Because because there's a whole microfiber microplastic problem with clothing

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as well. So pick your poison if you will, and

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no pun intended, because in some ways they really are.

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But you know, there's lots of ways that people can

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make individual choices about what they purchase and what they eat,

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et cetera. Then there's the kind of regulation side, which

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is more difficult, because I think good data and good

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evidence allows people to be informed and go to their

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city council and say, is our local water treatment plant

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doing the right thing by us? What's happening with X,

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where's our water coming from? How is it filtered right?

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a fine filtration at a point, which we had not previously.

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And then it comes back to what we were talking

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about a second ago, which is if there's laws there

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for clean air, clean water, clean soil, et cetera, are

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they enforced? And if not, that's an because they're already

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on the books. That's an easier thing to go to

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your whatever your elected leadership is and say, look this

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not right. The ocean and its kind of vastness and

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depth are more difficult, but as soon as it affects

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somebody's ability to go to the beach because there's a

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combined sewer overflow from rains and the beach is dirty,

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or there's plastics on the beach when you're there, or

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whatever it might be. Then it becomes more of an activation.

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You can really kind of like activate people. And I

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think part of the problem too is, and I mentioned

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this just a second ago, you can do things in

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the middle of your country wherever your country is, to

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better the situation because you're not buying certain types of clothes,

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plastic packaging materials, et cetera, and or allowing certain things

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to go in the water, right, because that still goes

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down into groundwater which we need to live from, or

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it goes into a system which eventually ends up in

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the ocean. Right. So that's why I have a giant

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kind of dead zone off the coast of on the

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Gulf Coast and the Gulf of Mexico, because it comes

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out of the Mississippi full of all of the ag

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runoff and everything else pollution wise, right, And so it's

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creating this kind of like blanket. And then you have

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algae blooms in Lake Erie in the United States, or

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you have the recent algae blooms that took place in

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parts of Europe in the summer. Is everything warms because

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that's the combination, right, you get a soup where it's

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super warm, you get red tides, or you get other

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types of effects because you got the warming, plus you've

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got the chemicals or basically too much nutrition. Right, that

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allows stuff to grow. And so it's a way for

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humans to get involved, but it's also something you have

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to take to elective leadership.

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What are some innovative approaches to improving enforcement of ocean

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policies like technologlogy? Can technology play a combating role in

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illegal fishing and things like that? I mean, we've got

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it everywhere, gets some drawing something. How can it? No?

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in the kind of climate and blue tech space, there's

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definitely been an advancement. And you mentioned one of them,

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and that's tracking fishing, fishing fleets and fishing boats and

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where they are or where they should not be in

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many cases, which is where the tracking comes in. But

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there's also incredible sets of innovators, some of whom we're

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working with in various ways, who are doing recovery and

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precovery resilience building and finding ways with sensors or more

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nature based solutions as we call them, to make changes

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right there at the coast or in the water, whether

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it's upriver or it's or it's deep sea. So technology

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definitely has its place. Last week was the big Smart

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City Expo here in Barcelona, and our events were part

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of that under the Tomorrow Blue Economy, the Sustainable Ocean

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Summit and the Global Blue Finance Summit. So technology, large

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scale technology and small scale innovators and startups and the

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funding to get to those individuals, organizations and startups is

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super key because there's all kinds of things that we

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can measure, and if you can measure it, then you

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can management. Basically, that was the first part of a

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waterside chat we did with her name is Christina Hill.

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She's the head of the engagement for the Global Reporting Initiative,

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and part of this comes down to what we just mentioned.

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Technology can help us with data. Data can help us

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with measuring, measuring helps us manage. So all of these

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different technologies for cent for tracking and satellite imagery that

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actually is really great at ocean and marine spatial planning,

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those are helping us because we can very clearly see

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what we need to do in various places now, unlike

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everybody that wants to go to Mars or go further

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than Mars, we still have a lot of mapping and

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knowledge we have to do on the ocean, and an incredible,

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incredible thousands of species are discovered all the time, and

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that's because we only have mapped a very small part

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of the ocean, and that means we need even more

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data and more technology to help us be able to

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do that, and we're getting better and better at it

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because we're able to go to deeper depths and do

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more and use these technological systems. So I would say, yes,

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there's very much a case for technology in preventative measures,

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in data and mapping and recovery as well. Some of

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those devices that I've seen come around over the last years,

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they're also now being used for things like quick mapping

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and tracking after hurricanes. So the same remote operated vehicles

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autonomous vehicles can be used in ways that are more

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emergency like and speed up figuring out what has happened

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after an emergency, right, So we can use it in

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a number of different ways, and I think that's that's

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the beauty of the good side of technology.

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Mm hmm. Oh that's well. I'm glad that we have

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it so that we can at least use it to

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be able to see what's going on. You know, how

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can we better balance economic development with the need to

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protect marine ecosystem. I mean it should be included in

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economic development or thought about or in part of the policy.

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Yeah, it's interesting. Last week we had a panel and

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it's it's rare to see, but we had a very

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successful for profit company in the Netherlands and they created

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an entire separate business line focused on ocean health. And

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this is a very traditional maritime dredging, vessel port kind

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of company, and they made a very specific choice to

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create a separate business line that focused on ocean rehabilitation

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and ocean health. And it pays right, Yeah, we can

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we can monetize the good work. Now we can monetize

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the good work too, So I think that's that's what's interesting.

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And then this gets back to the regulation a little bit.

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Say all fixed offshore wind has to have regenerative adaptive

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systems built in to the fixed locations that they're doing

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the wind turbines. If that was already policy and the

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company's already invested in it. You can build reefs basically

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and offshore living biospheres off of those fixed placements while

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you're still doing the energy piece, right, So some of

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this people see these things too much in pillars. Right.

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It's great that we have the sustainable develement goals, but

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sometimes you know STG six for water and water health

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and STG fourteen for life underwater are not talking to

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each other, and you're fresh and your salt aren't necessarily

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mixed in terms of those policy conversations. So I believe

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very strongly that we can still do regenerative activities and

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do them in a way that ends up being monetized

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and at the same time is just included. So why

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build why build a base a fixed base for for

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00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:07.640
wind power? If you don't automatically include the attachments and

465
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.960
devices that create res out of the bottom of those right,

466
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.799
then you can also then monitor and there's more technology

467
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.359
comes in because there's sound monitoring and there's actually AI

468
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.319
that's used for visual monitoring. We have some great companies

469
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:25.480
we work with who do this work. It's incredible what

470
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.720
can be done, but you have to have sort of

471
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.640
that foresight. You have to build it in. You have

472
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.200
to build it into the budgets, and you got to

473
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.519
you got to plan early for it because we've done

474
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.000
so many things that are detrimental that we're now you know,

475
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.160
we're trying to recover that as well as trying to

476
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:40.960
do this new stuff.

477
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.720
Yeah, but seeing we have such new technology out there,

478
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.319
I think it's time to start using it. You know,

479
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:56.079
what are some emerging opportunities and innovative solutions that you're seeing.

480
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:02.000
So we have we have a member client who has

481
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.799
this amazing I think I think it's okay if I

482
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.680
mentioned company names, right, I mean, I'm I'm not making

483
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.799
any recommendations necessarily. I'm just saying that, like one really

484
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.759
great innovation we've seen is with this company we work

485
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:21.759
with called Ocean Ecostructures, and they've developed a patented device

486
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.759
set of devices that go down in the water and

487
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.480
both by their structure and what they're made of and

488
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.960
a kind of like sound vibration thing they do to it.

489
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.880
In fact, there's some sitting right below me here as

490
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.480
the sunsets on the pier where my offices are located

491
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:45.039
in Barcelona, and basically you can watch via time lapse

492
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:52.279
the way species come back to an area that may

493
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:56.079
not have had anything because concrete, traditional concrete in particular,

494
00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:00.880
does not allow for the kind of life building that's necessary.

495
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.559
So Ocean Ecostructures has these structures that go in the water.

496
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.400
But the really cool thing about their work, which we love,

497
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:13.519
is that they then monitor it with ROVs with cameras

498
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.280
that have AI connected to it, and that artificial intelligence

499
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:23.360
can every three months collect numbers of new species, collect

500
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.159
the increase in biomass, increase in biodiversity reduction, and nitrogen

501
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.880
increase in oxygen, et cetera. And then their clients and

502
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.440
their clients clients have dashboards where they can see the

503
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.519
change and that the curve is like this usually right,

504
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.400
like from left to right. The curve in all of

505
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.880
those factors, or if it's something that's negative, is quite

506
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:53.440
pronounced every three months over time. And I don't think

507
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.760
they can claim, or I wouldn't claim that that's why

508
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.719
there's dolphins all the time now right in the Inner Harbor.

509
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.559
But we know from New York City and the rebirth

510
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.119
of the oyster beds the whales and dolphins, and this

511
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.159
comes from regulation, decrease in pollution, but increasing in things

512
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.559
like the oyster beds. So nature based solutions where connected

513
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.079
technology have made those kinds of changes. So I love

514
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.000
what ocean Ecostructures is doing because they can also do

515
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.760
it way offshore, which they are doing in offshore wind

516
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.360
oil rigs, et cetera, where they're creating basically reefs that

517
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.360
they monitor and they can monitor them such that that

518
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.440
data also helps with things like climate credits, biodiversity credits

519
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.400
and so on. Right, so there is a kind of

520
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:44.320
both impact side and a monetary side. But then there are,

521
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.000
as I said, nature based solutions. There's another group we

522
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:54.800
work with called the Great Bubble Barrier. They have an

523
00:35:54.840 --> 00:36:00.239
amazing system that goes into rivers in cities that are

524
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:08.760
even inland, that create this curtain of bubbles that's put

525
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.400
in an angle in the river bed with a catchment system.

526
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.480
And because it's completely non evasive to fish and other

527
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:20.360
species or traffic of any kind, it separates plastics and

528
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:25.079
pushes it into this catchment system and so with little

529
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:28.199
to no sort of human involvement except for when the

530
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.920
catchment area gets full. Great Bubble Barrier has figured out

531
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.719
this way to push plastics and catch it before it

532
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.880
goes in the ocean basically, right, which is half the

533
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.119
battle in some cases, because we've got so much of it,

534
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:43.000
you know, we've got so much of it in the

535
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.519
environment already. And at the same time, I can think

536
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.920
of a super high tech one where there's a group

537
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.440
called Blue IQ who's doing sound monitoring. Their systems are

538
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.880
so sophisticated that imagine that you can tell exactly what's

539
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:04.320
happening underwater and buy species. They did a demo for

540
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.559
demo for us that was just incredible, and it was

541
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.280
a set of a set of microphones off the coast

542
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.639
of in the Gulf of Mexico, off of Mobile, Alabama,

543
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:23.159
and you could hear the shrimp talking wow, And you

544
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.559
could hear a boat approaching from a long way away,

545
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.760
and as the boat got closer, the shrimp stopped talking

546
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.039
and you could hear the boat go by. If you've

547
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.199
ever been underwater, you know that sense of a boat,

548
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.400
kind of the propeller of noise, right, You hear the

549
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:41.159
boat go by, and immediately the shrimps start talking again.

550
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.519
So imagine what that would mean for like sound monitoring

551
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.559
for work that's being done underground, monitoring for ships and

552
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:53.559
whale strikes, being able to hear what's happening underwater with

553
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.440
such a sophistication that you can tell exactly what's happening, right,

554
00:37:58.199 --> 00:37:59.840
And I could go on. I mean, there's all kinds.

555
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:02.280
And then there are of course larger corporations that are

556
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.559
doing incredible work and attempting to change the course of

557
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.400
the kinds of things that we're doing, whether it's data collections,

558
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.199
or it's shipping, or it's ports. We work super closely

559
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.159
with the Port of Barcelona in the City of Barcelona

560
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.800
who have a whole blue economy plan that is super advanced.

561
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.239
And there are other parts of the world where they're

562
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:26.800
doing things like this too, where we're working that in combination,

563
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:28.840
I think is what really starts to sort of from

564
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.880
the small innovator on up to these big companies and

565
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.760
then the cooperation between these other types of entities. It

566
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.480
can be done. Sometimes it's more expensive, but in the end,

567
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.320
just like building resilience allion dollar now save thirteen later right,

568
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.840
insurance companies like this, you can start to do the

569
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.519
precovery work rather than always being in recovery.

570
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:55.639
Absolutely, what role can individuals and the general public play

571
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.800
in supporting better ocean policy?

572
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.360
So I think it's interesting, right, Because because I've done

573
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:09.800
policy work in various ways, it's very clear that if

574
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.960
you capture and I'll say this in a storytelling way,

575
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:18.840
if you capture the human eimation, human imagination, and you

576
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:25.360
get people interested in the changes negative and positive, that

577
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.840
they can be a part of, whether it's their purchasing power,

578
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:34.760
you have power advocacy with their elected leaders. You know,

579
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.599
we see this. We see this here in Barcelona, but

580
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.719
I see it back in New York and in Washington,

581
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:43.880
d C. And wherever you might wherever you might be

582
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.719
when there's a connection to the water. And I brought

583
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.800
brought up previously right that one of my one of

584
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.039
my you know, go to books is a book called

585
00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.840
Blue Mind by doctor Wallace Nichols, and that book is

586
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.079
a scientific, cultural, social, et cetera review of our connection

587
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:10.320
to water, both in on near and under and what

588
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.599
it does for us. Well, it's obvious that we're sustained

589
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.519
from it because you can go without food a lot

590
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.559
longer than you can go without liquida. We are water.

591
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.000
We are water literally, right, as is the planet. So

592
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:29.760
getting people's imagination, getting connection because the ocean is far away, right,

593
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.920
I think there are better and better storytelling, documentary films,

594
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:39.800
young youth spokespeople, people I work with who are doing

595
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:44.119
incredible work eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old, and there has

596
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:47.760
to be more of that and connected to the ocean.

597
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:52.199
It's very hard. I remember I was with my son

598
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.079
at an ocean series at a film festival and there

599
00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.800
was a series of films and then they stopped, and

600
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.840
everybody was talking about why don't people understand more? And

601
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.239
here he is ten years old, and he sort of

602
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:09.440
loudly said, and you know, you know Rowan or you

603
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.639
knew him when he was at the time he was ten,

604
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.840
and he said, Papa, it's so obvious. It's because we

605
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.280
don't live in Atlantis. And I said what he said,

606
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:24.480
We don't live underwater, so we don't think about what

607
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.920
it means when these things go into the water. And

608
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:29.559
there were a couple of people sitting around because it

609
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.960
was an outdoor film festival in the mall in Washington,

610
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.079
d C. And they were like, exactly took a ten

611
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:36.639
year old kid to kind of say it, but you know,

612
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.239
out of the mouth of babes. To some extent, it

613
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.840
is that simple because there is a disconnect forests land.

614
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.000
We live on it. We're here, we know where our

615
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.719
cities are built. But anyone that lives in a coastal

616
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.840
city and knows the wrath of the ocean, or or

617
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.320
a great lake, for that matter, a great sea inland,

618
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:00.480
the sea knows to respect it. Right. But I think

619
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.480
that further connection to the species, to its well being

620
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:06.800
is still something we have to work on. So for

621
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:10.280
individuals to be connected, it's kind of personal, But it's

622
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.639
also that sort of Not everybody's going to go be

623
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:18.079
a marine biologist, right, Not everybody's that lucky, I would say,

624
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:23.639
But also also not everybody knows the same thing about

625
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:29.239
terrestrial ecosystems either. Right. You've watched the bison, the buffalo

626
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.960
come back in the Great Plains. That would not have

627
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.480
happened without indigenous people, without native tribes, that very very early.

628
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.320
Right now, it seems obvious because they interact with the land,

629
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.000
same thing with the ocean. Right. It's like getting people

630
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.000
to understand my joke about it is you can't see

631
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.719
the you can't see the ocean for the fish, because

632
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.119
it's the same thing as on land. Right. In some ways,

633
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:57.840
we're very concentrated on the turtle with the straw stuck

634
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:02.400
in his nose. Meanwhile, there's a problem right with plastics,

635
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.000
with governance. Hence the importance of like the Plastic Treaty

636
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:10.320
and even the I Seize Treaty to get everyone engaged.

637
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:16.760
So building education and awareness is really important about ocean issues.

638
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.280
What materials or websites would you recommend? How can consumers

639
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:27.119
become more aware so they are making informed choices and

640
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.679
about seafood, plastics and other products that.

641
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:33.360
Are Yeah, you just have some that I was going

642
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:35.400
to say, because you know, if you're a seafood eater,

643
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.280
know where your food comes from. There are ways, there

644
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.840
are ways to track that, and you'd be surprised where

645
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:47.000
it's coming from. You might even be surprised. And I

646
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:49.360
can give you a couple of hints, like look up,

647
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.039
you know, do a quick google on some of the

648
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:57.000
studies that were done by going to secret shop at

649
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:03.320
various fish and chips places and things like that, and

650
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:06.039
then taking that fish into the laboratory and discovering what

651
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.800
was supposed to be cod was not cod, or some

652
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:13.440
other whitefish was not that whitefish might have even been

653
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:17.280
an endangered species of some kind or shark or you

654
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.840
name it. I think there's a real human element to

655
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:27.079
this as well, because the high seas is a dangerous place.

656
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.920
So for seafarers, whether they're doing cargo shipping or they're

657
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.960
doing fishing, there's an element of danger, and there's an

658
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:40.079
element of human rights, diversity, gender, all kinds of things

659
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:44.840
that come into play. So I think, if people have

660
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.280
a real interest in their food, that's an angle. If

661
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.199
they have real interest in plastics and what plastics are

662
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.760
where and what's happening with it, that's an angle. If

663
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:56.000
people are interested in the court of human rights aspect

664
00:44:56.199 --> 00:45:00.599
and like what happens at sea, whatever industry that might be.

665
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:05.199
Some are much better than others, but it's pretty scary

666
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:06.920
when you look at when you take a deep dive

667
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:11.039
into it. So I think, almost again, pick your journey,

668
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:16.039
pick your adventure, and decide what means a lot to you. Obviously,

669
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:21.280
for a lot of people, seeing a good documentary or

670
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.079
going to an aquarium is the life changing for some people.

671
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:31.280
Right you can find thousands and thousands of reports literally

672
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.840
weekly on things like ocean sewage in wastewater. There's a

673
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.639
couple that I was just involved with over the last

674
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:45.320
couple of years on plastics and microplastics on fisheries. If

675
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:48.719
you really care about species, right, you might find a

676
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.599
whole track of things that are around biodiversity or things

677
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:56.360
like coraal loss. So you know, not everybody even gets

678
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:59.119
to go to an aquarium, right. Your city or small

679
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.119
town may not have an quarium wherever you are in

680
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.800
the world, and you definitely may not even get in

681
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.000
the water to scoop over, right. So I think part

682
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:11.639
of this really is how do we get people to

683
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:16.760
that or get that to them? And there is I

684
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.280
think a movement in that direction, and seeing youth take

685
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.119
charge of this is just really incredible. There's there are

686
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.639
there are people that we can you know, we can

687
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.280
even supply afterwards that people should follow on Instagram. There's

688
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:34.320
a young woman who actually lives here in Barcelona who

689
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.440
I'm connected to through through work and through family. Her

690
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:42.559
name is Olivia Mondel Novao Olivia Mondel. She has an

691
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.039
incredible Instagram feed. She wrote a book when she was sixteen,

692
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:50.440
she is now eighteen. She is out there advocating on

693
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.440
behalf of the ocean and ocean speech and the surrounding

694
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:59.079
kind of activities. So I think you can find sources

695
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.320
like that, not just use, but all along the age spectrum.

696
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.719
And and I think if you need to stay informed,

697
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.599
that's the way to do it because it's very Obviously

698
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:10.719
you get on LinkedIn and you follow me, you're going

699
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.400
to see this stuff as you do every day practically, right.

700
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.840
Yes, yes, you have good information. I mean it's excellent information.

701
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.679
That's how I I, you know, learned about some of

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the things that will protect me. And believe me, I

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have to have my seafood shipped in because I don't

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trust you know what's in the store because I did

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some research. So and we should demand better. But if

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you're not absoluteble, you can't demand what you don't know.

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And that's you know, some of the problem people don't know. Well,

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we have this new little tricky little uh tool that

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is out there called a I. All you have to

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do is type it in and it will answer and

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pull up anything you ever wanted to know, who's involved

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in it, you know how you can be involved in

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it and everything else. If you want to know about

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the oceans, that's a place to start getting information. And

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like I said, go ahead and follow Stuart on LinkedIn.

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He's always you know, has wonderful articles about what's going

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on and different things like that that will make.

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I would encourage you like you they can they can,

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they can follow it. Sorry, they can follow they can

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follow me, but certainly follow these organizations. I've been mentioning

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my own World Ocean Council and Octopus, but Ocean Sewage Alliance,

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There's an Ocean of Certification Alliance, the Nature Conservancy, and

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and lots of those big NGOs are doing amazing work

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ww F and others, but also smaller local groups. There's

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an amazing organization called Native Conservancy in Alaska. It's an

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indigenous group, incredible work on everything from kelp to traditional

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boat building and everything in between. There's these amazing groups

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in the Great Lakes, including those based in Traverse City

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that are doing all this work and building a new

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incubator there. So there's a group called Sea Ahead that

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I have worked with, the Northeast Maritime Institute. I mean,

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I can go on and on, but like, do that research,

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get on Instagram and follow them because they almost all

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have Instagram and LinkedIn groups. But you know you can

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you can find in lots of other places as well.

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But and then you're really following the people doing the

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work for sure.

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Yeah, Stuart, this has been really incredible. I've enjoyed this.

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I know people have become very informed and excited to

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get involved. So when they're out there trying to tap

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into these organizations, consider donating volunteering with organizations that are

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working on ocean conservation. Thank you so much Stewart for

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coming today and just letting us know the different things

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that are happening with the oceans. And yes, we do

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want healthy waters, don't you, And so people are going

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to be jumping on board and doing what's necessary to

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make this happen. I just want to say thank you

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to everyone who tuned in today. A Sharp Outlook is

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here every Monday at eleven am Eastern time eight am

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things that benefit you health wise and the environment and

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generations to come. So whatever you do this week, stay informed.

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I want to thank you for joining us on a

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Sharp Outlook. We have been in formed and energized to

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take the next steps. We have posted links to websites

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