Trauma - Healing Forward

0:01 This program is designed to provide general information with regards to the subject matters covered. This information is given with the understanding that neither the hosts, guests, sponsors, or station are engaged in rendering any specific and personal medical, financial, legal counseling, professional service, or any advice. You should seek the services of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas. Hello, and thank you for tuning in to a Sharp Outlook on pay for HD radio and Talk or TV. I am Angela Sharp, your host. Our arm chair discussions with industry experts will give you the steps, tools and information to be successful in business and to prepare you to be your best self. Hello, I'm Angela Sharp, and welcome to a Sharp Outlook. I'm very excited about this program today and I believe you will learn a lot about trauma and how to recover from trauma and just how to understand others that are going through trauma. So welcome to our show, Trauma and Healing Forward. We're dedicated to providing insights, tools and stories of resilience for those navigating a journey of trauma recovery. Today, we have a leading expert in trauma informed care. We will discuss the different facets of trauma, from understanding its impact on the

1:34 brain and body to practical strategies for healing and growth. We're going to talk about also different types of trauma. Specifically, we want to also begin to talk about trauma that is cultural trauma that is historical and how it can have impacts even on future generations. What is trauma? Let's begin by debunking myths and misconceptions by explaining the definition of trauma, which differentiates between different types. There's acute, chronic complex and when trying to unanalyze trauma, we need to understand how the brain and body responds, understanding the fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses that take us to the physiological responses to trauma and how they manifest in daily life. There's a thing called cultural trauma. As a society, we need an understanding of collective wounds that includes exploring how historical and societal events can impact entire communities and generations. Learning some of the key steps to healing, like retraining the brain or community support someone you can call when you're in need of help. Prioritize your well being and your self care, including setting boundaries, managing your triggers and practicing

3:08 self compassion, identifying and coping with trauma reminders, and as you're identifying these triggers, developing coping mechanisms. Staying present in the moment and not revisiting the trauma is probably a very important thing to consider. Managing your nutrition. Sometimes just fueling your body with the right amount of the right and appropriate nutrition can help with the mental health. And get assistance from dietary you know, doctors or whomever who can give you the recommendations of what things that you should avoid if you're going or while you're going through trauma.

3:51 One of the biggest things is forgiveness. Forgive yourself and forgive others. It sets you're free on to it. And then those that are around students, supporting those students who have experienced trauma, and getting guidance for educators as how to create a trauma informed classroom, a trauma informed school, a trauma informed society, a drama informed community, so that we're all healing together. If one is hurting, we're all hurting. And that's how we should look at situations that people are going through. My guest today, Huda Summitur is a solution focused coach. She is the owner of Begin to Heal Counseling and Consulting Services I Begin to Heal Counseling and Consulting Services. The mission is to support individuals, couples, and families on their healing journey. They believe in providing a safe and nurturing environment where everyone can explore their challenges and find paths to wellness. Hudha received a Master of Social Work degree and Social Justice and Diversity. She has designed over twenty training sessions on alternative healing strategies using indigenous and effrocentric frameworks. Hudah is the author, is

5:25 an author and is a compassionate and experienced trauma therapist and speaker with over fifteen years of experience. She recognizes and integrates the practice of mental health, capacity building and harm reduction. Hudah has helped countless individuals heal from various forms of trauma. She is passionate about empowering others to reclaim their lives after trauma. Houdah's approach is rooted in empathy, culture, sensitivity, and evidence based practices. I would like to ask who to join me right now so we can begin our conversation about how do we recover from trauma? So many people are out there that are suffering from various types of trauma. So thank you for joining.

6:22 Me, Thank you Angela for having me, thank you for summarizing trauma for us, and thank you for inviting me to this platform to speak about the solutions as people who are of indigenous histories, right, people, how can they survive without their indigenous ways of knowing? Yes? And I feel like when we talk about trauma, we focus specifically on the trauma, but there's more to the trauma than just focusing on the trauma because looking back in history, we all struggle from trauma symptoms, and trauma is a spectrum of different experiences, so not one trauma experience can actually generalize how we all feel. We all go through different stages of trauma and it could happen during your childhood or it can happen in your adulthood, but it's self identified. And that's where I start the healing process from, is from that individual. But recently I've looked at the way we support people who are clinicians,

7:55 how we support clients who are of racial lies. The set clients who actually focus in on the Indigenous ways of knowing. How do we support them? And I realized that we, as the clinicians, are the center of this healing journey. It's not the person, it's the clinician who's the center. Yes, what you provide to your clients determines the outcome of their healing journey. If you are not versed in the way they think and feel, how can you support these individuals?

8:42 Yes, yes, I agree. You know, I when I was preparing for this show, it brought took me back to the time when I was a foster parent and when I first you know, prepared to be a foster parent. We went through different classes and a different train and things like that. Well, the children that we were going to be caring for were indigenous Native Indigenous children, but everything that we were learning did not include their background, or their traditions or the culture. So me knowing how I am, I began to the conversation and I said, you know, we're missing a big subject here, We're missing a big issue here, and we need to consider these different things that are going on in their homes, in their lives, and even in society as how they're treated by society. Also we need to think about all that when we're talking about trying to care for these children, and you have to under have an understanding or we're going to fail at what we're doing. And so they all sounded like they appreciated, but we had to have a few more conversations because when I finally had children assigned to me, I looked at the file that had been put together by the social worker and the things that were written down. I thought to myself, I can't

10:13 handle these children. Oh my goodness, this is terrible. So I said, ah, I better give it a chance, because you know, I know, sometimes people just write things and they don't really understand what's going on. I got three of the most wonderful children. They were all siblings. They were wonderful, they were beautiful, and so I had to go back. I went back to the social work agency and we had a strong conversation. I said, do you know what you just did in this file? Do you know these things that you wrote This is not the children that are in my home. I don't know who this is that you wrote about, but they're not the children in my home. And you have to understand you're giving this to strangers. Who don't know the children or what they're doing, and you're giving them, you know, perceptions that are going to make it very difficult for that child to heal, for this child to be comfortable, or for this child to want to be in that home.

11:19 So you need to be careful about this because this here is inappropriate. Yeah, they had to. They had to accept that. And I said, and stop the medication, wouldn't you because I'm not medicating them. Yes, we're going to change their diet, we're going to do some exercise, we're going to do and have some love in the home, but we're not putting them to sleep every night. Yes, So you know, I understand you know the social workers' perspective that person who wrote that document, because guess what, we're trained to do that, right as social workers. We're trained to write these reports from the medical perspective. Right, So when you write things from the medicals perspective, you dehumanize these individuals. Yes, you depersonalize and you individualize, right, So what are you taking out? You're taking out the humanity from this report, right, And this is how we're trained and our training. I'm not saying it's it's something negative I'm saying, this is how we're trained in terms of how to do the reports. And it's good because now our brain is structured in a way that we see things from an inclusive perspective as clinicians, but the humanity is missing. Yes, sometimes with our mainstream clients, we

12:53 want to go beyond a certain barrier, but we can't because we're obliged to stay within the frame. The framework, Right, So you want to go beyond, you want to you want to kind of focus in on that person's you know, other aspects of healing, but you can't with a lot of the mainstream clients because this is not how they function, and so you're restricted. But people who are of racialize the set, people who practice the indigenous ways of knowing, Now there's more clinicians available to practice from their perspective, from their understanding, and so I am really excited about the change and how people are now able to access clinicians who can provide a holistic approach to supporting right and provide them with the coping strategies that they need rather than just focusing on the mainstream's ways of knowing.

14:10 There was this guy. He was of racialized descent, and I always remember him. It's been years since I supported him. But he was obsessed with this individual that worked at McDonald's, like completely upset, so that individual would call the police, he would get arrested, and then he would do the same thing over and over again. So I advocated for him because he needed more clinical support rather than being just in the criminal system. And so what I see is that a lot of mainstream organizations don't understand the cultural aspects of why individuals are doing what they're doing.

15:01 So this guy felt like these, he was connected spiritually with these, with this specific individual that worked at McDonald's. So if he got the right person, it would have the situation would have been different, right, because they would have understood him from his cultural ways of knowing. Yes, But they didn't, so they criminalized him. And that's what I see a lot is that people are criminalized instead of providing with the right solution. Yes, yes, and especially you know, like you said, we're talking about indigenous you know individuals, and you have you know, a clinician that does not know anything about that particular lifestyle, what their spiritual beliefs are, even the structure of their their home. Know, what do they call their parents, and what do they call their grandparents? Like I said, they were Native Indigenous, and I didn't bring them in and have them call me mom. I'm not her mom. You have a mom, and I didn't want to make them feel I didn't respect that they did have a mom.

16:19 I said, call me grandma because I know in Native culture everybody can be auntie and grandma any elder that is helping or caring or something like that. So they called me grandma and we just got along beautifully. And I explained it to the group of foster parents when we would have our meetings. Stop trying to afford because they were, you know, complain that they're not calling me mom, You're not their mother. Stop treating them. It's just disrespectful for you to make these children call you mom when they have a mother, as if you have just tossed their parents away. Yes, their parents going through some issues. Yes, those parents, you know, need some counseling, need some treatment, but they still exist, so don't you know, and especially when you're trying to force them. If it comes naturally, that's one thing, but if it doesn't, then stop doing that.

17:20 It's so wrong and you don't understand the culture and what you're doing to them when you are just trying to toss away family members, you know, like they don't exist. And so you know, there's just you know, little things like that that they you know, they need, they need to understand. If you're going to be taking indigenous people in, you need to get some books or have someone go and be involved and see what's going on, you know, in their communities, because you know, you can't call things evil when you don't understand it. You can't call things bad when you don't even. Know what it is.

18:00 These things are. You know, you're bringing on your perspective, but you haven't been exposed to anything else but your backyard. Yes, now you're trying to force them to be that and you can't. And yes, you're going to end up a conflict because they're still fighting to keep their identity. Yes, and so it's yeah, it's. Yeah, and it's not. Sometimes we forget right, we think about the mind and we think about the heart, yes, but we forget about our genes, our genetics. Our genes are connected to our ancestors. So how we heal is also connected to our ancestors. Yes, and so if we heal in the wrong way, it actually can cause a negative effect on our body, on our mind. Yes, so anything that goes against our healing, any anything that is of something that where you're not used to can impact how we holistically heal as human beings. So if we disconnect from that, and a lot of a lot of like new immigrants, a lot of people who are second

19:31 sorry first generation immigrants, feel that they sometimes have to abide by the ways of this country, and so they lose that connection with their ancestors, with their with their knowledge base from from their tradition, culture and religion. They disconnect from that. So you see a lot of people who are having trauma symptoms not because they've been impacted in certain ways, but because they've disconnected from what they know what their body needs. There's a term called a culturation that was introduced to me by a professor, a Somali professor who teaches in the University of Minnesota. So she introduced me to this term called a culturation, and a culturation is having two different perspectives in the household.

20:41 So one that's connected to the mainstream ways of knowing and one that's connected to the indigenous ways of knowing, and so those two are clashing. No one's teaching them to unite based on the indigenous ways of knowing, right, based on their ways of knowing. So these these children disconnected from their roots, from their ways, and then you see them not being functional, functional in society. They can't function in mainstream because they don't know who they are.

21:22 Yes, yes, yes, that's really true. And it's and that's a that's an internal struggle that they're fighting besides anything else that might be impacting them, because you know, everyone even now is still trying to figure out who am I? Where did I come from? Who are my ancestors, especially those that you know were brought here you know, historically we're brought here on ships to become slaves. They're still trying to identify who am I? But yet there's something in the DNA that's still calling you have a family, you have ancestors, you have this and that is that causes a lot of confusion inside, you know, when you have been taught so many other things about that society and now you're trying to connect to it. Now you I mean, you don't know where your allegiance is. I mean, I don't I'm not sure if they can merge. I think they could probably merge, but it has to be something that's acceptable to merge the cultures together. Why not respect both of them. I mean, why do we have to say you have to be like me. I don't think so. I think when the Creator created humans, he made them different. Look at everything that's out there. If he wanted everything that's saying, we'd have one type of bird, one type of tree, one type of fish, we would

22:53 get bored with life. Variety is the spice of life, and he made things so there's variety, and we are considered a variety of what he has created and accepting you know that we have. We all are different, and learning from each other's differences is really important and it's very special. I mean, I enjoy learning about other cultures, and I think just sharing all of that information in fact, be on us. If we related more with each other, we would have any diseases in the world. Because there's so many indigenous that have so many things that they already have passed through in their culture and in their teachings and in their healing teachings. That a tea here, a root, there are fruit here, and I'll tell you, we wouldn't have diseases. But because we challenge one another instead of communicating with one another, no one sharing and so guess what the rest everybody else is suffering the things that don't need because we can't talk. That doesn't make sense to me.

24:11 Yeah. So another aspect of trauma, right, it's it's an ongoing trauma experience that only people have racialized the set understand, So that ongoing battle that we have that is that has caused us trauma is not spoken about in in in therapeutic settings, right, So you as a as a clinician, will be focused on that individual, but there's other factors influencing that individual. That individual has a lot of societal issues that they're going through. So you might have somebody who's experiencing racism for example, somebody who is being marginalized because they can't speak the language, the English language. Somebody who you know is has family abroad and is isolated here.

25:33 So there's so many factors that are not spoken about in terms of trauma. Right. Trauma is not only impact, it's also experienced, and so these individuals are in crisis all the time in terms of how they think and how they function, and then this whole thing about you know, finance. You know, Franz Fenanen was a psychiatrist, and he was also racially profiled as a clinician as somebody who was a psychiatrist back in the day. And so france Fan talks about dehumanizing, depersonalizing, and individualizing. And when he wrote about these three things, these three frameworks, he understood that the colonizer's work was not only in terms of huge like countries and settings, but it also impacted the individual. Yes, So all of these different entities that we are under, which is for example, the social work, the hospitals, the prison systems, you know, all of these systems are a descendants from the colonizer. So they function in the same way to dehumanize, to depersonalize to individuals. That's their function.

27:09 So how are these systems able to help. Us heal. Unless we formulate something parallel. Yes, to these systems. So that is what the indigenous ways of knowing is. It's a parallel system to the your centric. System, right, and even though it's hard for them for us to merge the two, we. Do it in a way that we find that your centric system structure. We can use that structure, but use this framework to help our clients heal. And now, like in Canada the United States, more and more people are understanding that we need to heal our people or racialized people using a different ways, different ways of knowing. So it's hard, Angela.

28:16 Oh, you know, I'm There's a movie out called Sugarcane. It's a documentary and I watched it last night and it was a story about the residential schools in Canada and the abuses and different things that went on for all of those children. And I had like three generations that we're talking about that had gone to the schools, or they were birthed at the schools, or you know, their parents had gone, grandparents had been there or whatever. And just even going to the point of even trying to do reconciliation, it was so hard because the trauma was so deep and had had been ignored for such a long time. One word I'm sorry wasn't going to be enough. There was too much that had had gone on.

29:14 And unless we understand, like you said, put the humanity back. I don't know what happened that we just take we're human beings. Why are we trying to treat people like we would our animals. We are human beings, and so when we take that out, we just lose the whole concept of actually reaching their inner being, which is what we should be doing. And I watched that. I cried almost through the whole documentary because it was to see these older people still struggling to be whole, still struggling to be free. That was heartbreaking. Yeah, and so.

30:01 Yeah, it is worth breaking. And I'm going to share a secret with you. I feel like all clinicians should start out working in crisis first before they're clinicians. I feel like when you work as a crisis responder, you see a lot. You see a lot of trauma. You see people that can't afford you know, counseling or therapy. You see people who are struggling with alcoholism. You see people who have fine family dynamics that are unhealthy. You see a lot of rape victims. And most of these people now that access crisis are racialized people. Yes, they're the same people you're talking about, actually, and because they've been dehumanized at a very young age, they're you. They're looking for other ways to heal, negative ways to heal.

31:09 So alcoholism is part of those that negative ways. They gravitate towards that. Yes, right, and so what do we do with these type of people that are struggling. Oh, go to rehab, right, go to detox, you know, go and access counseling. But what they really need is to find themselves. Yeah, we're trying to gain some sort of happiness satisfaction through these negative hoping strategies. Yeah. Yeah, but they don't know themselves. Yeah.

31:50 I had uncles that they had gone to the military. I don't I know. Being in war, was in World War two. Being in war is very difficult. But then there were a lot of things they were coping with. I didn't find out until I was much older, and I'm sadden because they became alcoholics. Brilliant men, mathematicians and one worked at Nassau, I mean brilliant, intelligent, but they drank. And I think it was to cope with the war.

32:31 And then what happened when they came back from the war and the broken promises that they did not get the benefits that they were promised because they were indigenous. And I watched them not be who I knew they could be, and I didn't understand it because I was the baby of the family, so I didn't understand. I just saw them. But my mother was always loving, never judgmental, very understanding. You just needed to clean up before you came, but she would all they would come by the house and she would feed them a warm meal and make sure that they were taken care of. But I watched that and it made me go to the alcohol drug treatment centers and counsel and work with them and talk with them and share with them and learn more so that I had a better understanding about my own family members and helping them understand. And it is a coping method of their trying to deaden the pain, is what they're trying to do. And I'm not a therapist. I just have watched this for numerous years as being a child, growing up and then even working at the treatment centers.

33:48 They're coping with pain and they don't know any other way because they don't have no one to go to that understands what's happening and how to reach them and reach the heart of them and help them understand, Okay, you made a bad choice, but now you get to make a different choice and you forget about that one that made the bad choice and start spending your energy on the one that on the good choices that you've made. And watched the changes and I saw different ones their lives change. They ended up going to college and just I mean, some good things happen, but you have to really dig deep to get past the wall that's there, and then the guilt that they keep putting on themselves, and just understanding, you know, the fact that they have hurt people and they don't know how to say I'm sorry, and they don't know how to feel that that person will receive them back forgiveness. This forgiveness, if you say I'm sorry, goes away. Don't carry it along with you because when the person says I receive your you know, apology, it's done. It's gone. Don't go back there anymore. Let it go. But yeah, how important is it for self

35:21 care and trauma recovery process? Big time? So it's it's uh, my language. When I'm speaking to individuals and I'm doing counseling with them, it's emotional. It's okay, So we have cognition and then we have emotional intelligence. So I use a lot of my emotional intelligence during counseling sessions because I feel like that's, first of all, that's who I am, and I feel like I can get a lot of people to understan where I'm coming from when I use my emotional intelligence than when I just focusing on my cognition. And so I came up with three strategies when I'm providing support to people, and this is across the board, this is what people are missing. Number one is self care. Anybody who is struggling to heal is lacking in self care. Number two is journaling. Number three is setting healthy boundaries. Right. So, when I was young, I watched a lot of Disney movies.

36:45 Disney so I'm one of those people I like to get down to the nitty gritty, like why did Disney come up with Happily Ever After? Endings? Right? And I was like, what what is the satisfaction people get from Happily ever After? Endings? Right? And so I thought about it and I said, the reason why is that the brain needs to close that toxic conversation that it's having in its head. So remember Disney talks about a lot of like struggles in needs kids' movies. And then towards the end, he gives us happily ever after, and this is what our brain needs. It needs happily ever after.

37:37 Journaling is good for that. So even though it's not real, the brain can't understand real from unreal. So you close that conversation that's happening in your head by writing down a happily ever after ending. So let's say you blame your mom for all this toxicity that happened you, and your mom is no longer here, like she passed away, and you still live with that pain. Right, you give yourself that happily ever after ending, and the brain closes that conversation because that's what the brain knows too. Self care.

38:18 Self care is our emotional fuel. If you survive your day to day activities, you need to give yourself self care. So I prescribe myself three self cares a day, meaning that I would do random things like watch Netflix or go for a walk. There's these group of Italian elders at the mall and I'm like, they're the typical example of self care. They come with their desserts and their coffee and they start talking. They talk for two hours and then they pick up their garbage and they go home.

39:03 That's their self care. Every day. If I ever go to the mall, I will see them. It's twenty folks have sit at one corner the other half, so Angela, they the men sit at one corner and then the women's so because the conversations are not the same, right, right, So self care, whatever self care that you are doing, is the self care that's work for you, right. Healthcare is guess what. When a child is young, they understand self care. They automatically gravitate towards self care. They go bike riding, they do all kinds of activities. But we grow up, we forget about self care. In order for you to heal holistically, you need to engage in self care.

40:02 People who don't engage in self care are the ones you see crying chronically, sporadically, crying all the time, having chronic illnesses as a result of lack of self care. All these chronic illnesses that we struggle with is as a result of lack of self care. And the last boundaries and you know, I won't get into boundaries because boundaries are you know, they're they're self identified and individual based on the person's needs. But the other two very important. You want to get rid of toxic conversations happening in your head. Journal. You want to gain emotional fuel, just like a car needs fuel. Engage in self care.

40:54 Okay, I'm going to pick up some of those I can see where I can just drive myself and I'm not taking that time out for me, and I do, I do end up feeling the body react and start fighting me back, and it's like, uh uh, nope, I'm going to do nothing this whole day. It's my day because I just need to take care of me and nothing else. And so even spraying a perfume on yourself, like just that care Yeah, just just something that weren't planning that day and just saying I'm going to take this time out just for me.

41:36 I'm going to do that more. Yeah, I like that. How what role does community and social support play in healing a lot? Remember what's the opposite of individualization, right, it's community. So everything that Frantz Flann talked about, do the opposite, because that's what the eurocentric system is trying to disconnect you from. Its disconnecting you from community, is disconnecting from you from you know, helping each other in a communal way. So for example, when you go to your doctor's office, and let's say you have a family of five, that doctor, if that child is above a certain age, that doctor will suggest for that child to go into the room individually and not go with the parent. But maybe the parent knows more about the child than the child, than the child himself or herself. Why don't you allow that?

42:39 Why don't you allow this child to go in there with the parent even though he's he's he or she is twenty or nineteen or eighteen. Right, But communal healing is very important because that is the indigenous ways, right. And so I've seen women and I call it the the Cinderella transformation people in our community. When they're going to weddings, it's like everybody transforms into this like beautiful lavish like you know, I don't know, like just they're so beautiful. They're so beautiful, like the way they're dressed, the makeup, and and then they go home and that dress is off again. But when they go to these functions, it's all about dance, it's about it's all about communication, it's all about energy, positive energy. And some of these females go to weddings like once a week or twice a week. But there are those that don't go anywhere that you can tell that there's struggling, right, part of my journey, So begin to heal. People think it's an organization or it's a name that I gave my organization, right,

44:15 but begin to heal is my journey. Is my journey to give back. And so when you're working as a clinician, a lot of energy is taken away from you. So what I do is I organize community events, free community events, and that's for people to benefit from my knowledge, but as well as to come together and heal together. The only way for us to completely heal is through communal settings. That is what our body knows. That is our ancestral ways of knowing. I don't know if you know, but even like with the indigenous people right back in the day when they were practicing, like let's say they were practicing, did you see them like they were always in a circle.

45:16 And the circle means that nobody is above nobody, right, everybody is. Equal mm hmm. And so and they don't interrupt each other. They speak every when when one person speaks, everybody is listening mm hmm. And I see that as a non existent practice in this day and age, right, right, I feel like children are not listened to mm hmm, even though they have so. Much to share with us when they're young, because their heart is so clean. Mm hmmm. I feel like teenager who do the wrong thing are criminalized. Like if they go and steal from a local, let's say, store, should they be criminalized at the age of thirteen or should they be supported? Right? So, there's a lot of like activities happening to dehumanize us more than to dehumanize us.

46:31 I don't know if you've seen this on social media, but there's this guy that gives away cards with things written on them, like randomly in like to people outside, and he writes these notes, and these notes are for him to make a connection, and so he writes like empowering words or like motivations on those cards and he gives them away, and the trend information in people's facial expressions when he get when they read that note is amazing. Yeah, so I think we're missing the connection, like. You to connect. Yeah, the spirituality too. Sometimes you do see someone and they just they just want to They just say a specific word and it can change that person that's on the bus, just sitting there across for them.

47:27 And and we were not tuned in to that that spiritual part of us, that that receives that that message, and that message isn't always for us, it's to pass on to somebody else. But because we haven't, we're not a society that is community. Then we we think everything is me me. Me me me me me. Mey me, And I'm sorry that was not the thought pattern when creation was made. It was never me me, me me me. It was always we we we we. And that's the one thing about even some tribal peoples.

48:08 There's no word for me. It's all we because we are in this together, not a me me me. And when we stop understanding that we are a community and just want to be individuals, that's when it becomes dangerous because you can have all kinds of thoughts and anything can be happening when you isolate yourself. Isolation is just so dangerous. What advice would you give to someone who's just starting their trauma healing journey. That's a good question and a very difficult question because it's so self identified, like everybody's healing journey is so unique.

48:54 Different people start in different like for different reasons. A lot of times it's when people hit rock bottom, meaning they've lost a loved one, right, or they've just separated from their partner of twenty years, or they've lost children, or they're isolated and nobody to talk to, or they lost their jobs, right, And so there's a lot of losses that happen when when trauma healing begins, right. But I always start from scratch, like I always go way back to their childhood because past behavior predicts future behavior. Yeah, meaning, yeah, go ahead.

49:51 Oh I was gonna say, we're coming up to town. Okay, Okay, give the the email or website where people can connect with you or reach you. Yes, so I think you've included my website, but I have I have an email. My email is begin to Heal at gmail dot com and that's where people can reach me. Yeah, so thank you for having me. It was a really nice discussion. And it's so hard to sum up seventeen years of practice right into like one hour.

50:39 But I enjoy what I do. There's you know, I really do love what I do because it's making a difference. And that's the that's the greatest thing is just being out there trying to make a difference, one person at a time. I really do. Thank you for joining me this morning, and thank you audience for joining us on a Sharp Outlook. We're here every Monday at eleven am Eastern time, eight a m. Pacific time, and please join us again next week. And whatever you do this week, think about yourself, do some self loving, and stay informed.

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