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Hello and thank you for tuning in to A Sharp
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Outlook on K4HD Radio and Talk4TV. I am Angela Sharp,
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your host. Our armchair discussions with industry experts will give
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you the steps, tools, and information to be successful in
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business and to prepare you to be your best self.
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Hello and thank you for joining us on A Sharp Outlook.
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We are the podcast that Provides information for you to
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be able to be successful in your business, in your home,
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in your personal life, in your entrepreneurship, all the things
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that you're interested in doing. And today we want to
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talk about preparing so that you can maybe have that
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business or own that business. after you get your education.
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So we're going to be talking about combating academic burnout.
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So beyond the grades, developing cognitive power to combat academic burnout.
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In an era of distractions, and we know we have those,
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and social pressures that often derail student potential, how do
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we rebuild the internal compass of the learner. Well, you're here,
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and I want you to sit down and take notes
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and enjoy our guest, Dr. Stephen Jones, the Dean at
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Villanova University, to explore the synthesis of brain fitness, cognitive confidence,
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and intrinsic motivation. We're going to discuss how AI and
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neuro-informed training to move students past the fear of failure
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and toward a renewed desire to learn, enjoy learning, and
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excited about learning.
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That's what we're wanting to get to.
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Building cognitive power isn't just about grades. It's about reclaiming
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the purpose of education. Whether you're a student aiming for
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the Dean's List or an educator looking to boost retention rates,
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this conversation offers a new blueprint for academic excellence. I'd
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like to ask Dr. Jones to join me right now
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and so we can have this discussion about how to
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help our students to be more successful in their environment
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and be able to Get the things that they need
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and the things that they want to have so they
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can be more successful in their particular studies in their
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way that they're studying so they can have those tools.
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They can believe that their intelligence is malleable and that
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they can have the cognitive tools to handle challenges. They
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can become resistant to the negative influences such as the
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fear of failure or the imposter syndrome, often exacerbated by
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social media that undermines their academic purpose. And so we're
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going to ask Dr. Jones to join us. And we're
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going to begin our conversation. One of the things I
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do want to say I've had an opportunity to look
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at some of the tools that are available to help
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to retrain the brain and give you that cognitive confidence
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that you can have. So good morning, Dr.
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Jones. Great to see you. Good morning.
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Glad to be here.
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Yes.
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Now talking about just things that we can do to
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help our students to be more successful in college. They're
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spending time there. They're trying to learn. They're being challenged.
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And just how do they get through it without having
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burnout and fear and feeling like they can't make it
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and some of them dropping out and just different things.
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What do you think?
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Many students today are battling negative feedback loops from social media.
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The belief that they aren't smart enough. or the system
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is stacked against them or, you know, how does cognitive
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training break those loops, those thoughts, those things going on?
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Well, this is a great time of the year to
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have that discussion because a lot of students in the
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midst of, you know, first of all, there are those
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who are going to college for the first time in
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their entire family. They're the first person in their entire
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family to go to college. And there's some, you know,
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imposter syndrome situations that come up because it seems like
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they represent the whole world and that heavy weight is
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on their shoulder. But then you also have students returning
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who may have struggled the first year and kind of
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they're having anxiety about whether they'll be able to do
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better the second year. So I think the cognitive development
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has to do with where they're at and what resources
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they're accessing so that they can do better as they
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move forward. A lot of times I've seen students who
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are especially first-generation students who are the top of their
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academic class at their high school not go and get
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help when they go to college because they think it's
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a sign of weakness as a sign of wisdom and
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strength that they're going to get that help. So I think,
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like I said, this is the ideal time to have
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this discussion to reaffirm to the students that they can
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do well. There's a lot of resources, a lot of strategies,
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a lot of ways of thinking that will enable them
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to be successful if they take on that and not
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allow the negative things to pull them away from this
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whole idea that they desire to go to college or
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some other training program. It's something that's in their heart.
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That's something that maybe preparation wasn't as much as they
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thought it was. Once they get into some of these classes,
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they find out, you know, I'm dealing with engineering students,
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so they find out that their calculus wasn't the same
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calculus that they're getting in college. And so anxiety and
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stress and so forth can.
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Build up over that.
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Well, I mean, I was just thinking about because I
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was the first one in my family that went to
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higher education. And you do feel that pressure that I
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have to succeed. I have to make it. Everybody that
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never went is counting on me to be successful to
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do that. And it is a lot of pressure to
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have to have that on your mind as well as
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trying to make those grades.
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And then.
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I was working and going to school So I had had,
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you know, interaction and maybe not on the camp, you know,
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on campus, but going to class and then leaving and
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going home. But when you're there and you have so
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much peer pressure, that's got to be difficult. You know,
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how does building physical brain fitness translate into psychological confidence
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required to handle difficult subjects? Because they are going to
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be challenging. college, it's not high school any longer. And
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they may have breezed through those classes, but it's a
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whole different thing once you get in those other classes.
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Like, whoa, I actually have a team now.
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Yeah, I think.
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That is something that develops as you are going through
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and taking each individual class.
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And I'll make a point here. Show up for class.
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I've seen students, the first couple of classes, get so
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overwhelmed that they stop going to class. And that is
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the worst thing that you can do in terms of
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your development through the class. Once you start missing information,
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then you fall further and further behind. But as a strategy,
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because I'm always thinking about that, if you want to
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continue to develop yourself, two things. First, sit in front
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of the class. Second, make sure that you're meeting with
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your faculty member. That faculty member is there to help
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you to be successful. I didn't know about office hours
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when I went to college. The instructor may have said it,
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but I didn't know what it was. And I just
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didn't know what it was and what I should do
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or how I should use it. So I'm going to
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just share that office hours is that faculty have a
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set amount of time that's available throughout the week. for
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students to come in and get help. And so that's
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what we want to do. We want to position you
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as whoever is listening, whether you're an 18, 24-year-old going
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to college, or whether you're an adult learner beyond 24
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and you're going back to college, this is something that
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you need to do is meet with your faculty member.
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And that's from class to class. They all have hours
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that you can sit down with them. You're feeling behind.
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It will help you to get over some of the
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anxiety and recognize that each class is part of your growth.
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It's not to hinder you. It's to propel you forward
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and to give you more knowledge so that when you
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go out in your profession, you can do well.
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Right, right. Absolutely.
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Do you find that many aren't taking advantage of it
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because they're slightly embarrassed or some kind of emotional thing
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like that's happening inside instead of saying, you know what?
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My education is important. I don't care what anybody else thinks.
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I need to take care of me. So I'm going
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to go take care of me and get my grades
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so I can be successful. And you can giggle, you
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can laugh. That's your personal issue. I mean, you know,
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do we have to build them up a little to
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be able to just go through that challenge?
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Because you always got somebody over in the corner.
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They got to go. It's like, hey, let me tell
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you what to tell them. Tell them, I'm going to graduate.
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What about you? You got time to do all that?
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We'll see who has their cap and gown on and
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just walk away.
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Absolutely.
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Don't let those negative Words hinder you from getting what
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you need. And I think, again, some of it comes
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from they never needed tutoring when they were in high school.
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So why should I need it now that I'm here
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in college? And here's the reality. The students are getting
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A's and B's. They're going for tutoring. So that's how
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they keep their grades up. They go for that additional
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help to keep their grades in that B, A range.
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And you want to be the same person taking advantage
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of what will help you to be successful and not
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allow other people's opinions of you hinder you from getting
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that help.
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And, yeah. Yeah.
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And, you know, you just kind of think about it.
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One of the things I never thought about grades. I
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always thought about the information that I'm learning right now
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is going to open a door of opportunity for me
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to go get paid. And that's how I kept my
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mind straight. You know, it wasn't about the grades, even
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though my grades were very good. And like you said,
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high school from elementary to high school, I was one
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of those kids. I was always in trouble because I,
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I learned really fast. And then I was bored while
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others were trying to learn. And I'd say little things
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I shouldn't have seen.
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That's like, well, I'm bored.
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So they started giving me extra study to do, you know,
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classes and extra courses and things.
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It accelerated my learning capability. So by the time I
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was ready for college, I was like, yeah, I'm ready
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to take this on. And I'm going to ask, you
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know what? I already know this stuff because I studied it.
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So can you give me something else? Because I know
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there's more to it than this. And they always were
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very generous with their time and extra information that really helped.
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helped me to excel beyond where I normally would have
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because I took extra work and extra things and kept
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my brain, you know, and then I'd even be trying
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to use it at work and stuff like that.
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So, but yeah, it was one of the bad ones.
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Wow.
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How can we help students transition from a performance-based mindset,
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you know, like focusing on the grades?
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To a mastery-based mindset where they're focusing on.
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The joy of learning, there is a difference there.
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Just trying to pass and then actually excited about the
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learning because of what it's going to equip you to do.
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You know, one of the things that made me think
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about how I benefited from study groups, that was the
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place to share, interact, prove that I.
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Had learned what I learned in study groups.
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So that may be a good strategy in terms of
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while they're seeing, you know, you're having these conversations about
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the real world and how I'll apply this and having
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those students share with you as well.
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Another thing that colleges also do is they have guest speakers.
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So just going to sit in on some of them
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and hearing what the real world is and the application
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of that knowledge and how they're going to be able
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to use it, I think is the essential element of
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making the connection that my excellence, not just A's and B's,
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but my excellence as a person will pay off. And
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sometimes you need to hear from different perspectives to gain that,
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to understand the value of it. And it's hard because
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all throughout elementary school, middle school, and high school, everyone's
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telling you, you need A's and but they're not telling
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you about their personal development and personal growth.
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And I guess you are developing that all along the line, but.
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Then I explained the value of, you know, how when
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you develop the expertise yourself, when you go out to
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work in corporate America or education or wherever you might be,
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you'll have more, not only head knowledge, but you'll have
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ability knowledge.