Transformation sounds inspiring on a slide deck—but it feels very different when you’re the one in the room, facing resistance, skepticism, and real-world constraints. In this conversation, I’m joined by Captain David Gallimore, host of the REGENERATE podcast. We talk about the *real, messy work* of change: What actually happens between a bold vision and the day-to-day grind. Why so many “purpose-driven” initiatives fail to influence behavior, budgets, or incentives. If you’ve ever tried to change a team, a company, or your own life and felt stuck, this conversation will give you practical tools, hard-won stories, and a hopeful but honest look at what it takes to regenerate how we lead.

How leaders can move from performative sustainability to truly regenerative impact on people, planet, and profit. David shares field notes from the bridge of a ship, the boardroom, and the classroom—plus practical ways to navigate uncertainty, align teams, and stay grounded in purpose when everything around you is shifting. If you’re a leader, founder, or change-maker trying to do work that matters without burning out or selling out, this episode is for you.

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